Men are not constantly being told “you’re bad,” they are constantly being told “LEFT WING SJWS THINK YOU’RE BAD” by conservative propaganda. There’s a huge difference.
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Nicholas Grossman
I have two sons, and I don't think I've ever seen messaging going "Don't be a boy" or "YOU'RE BAD."
Sure looks like that's in "I heard someone say that they heard..." territory, rather than actual direct experience.
Also worth noting, the main message from manosphere influencers is "YOU'RE BAD."
Sure looks like that's in "I heard someone say that they heard..." territory, rather than actual direct experience.
Also worth noting, the main message from manosphere influencers is "YOU'RE BAD."
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They get so upset they turn themselves into the villains we didn’t think they were in the first place.
Not unique to men of course, the feeling of being unwanted or unneeded
Given folkd generally like patterns, to know why something happens, groups then form around an agreed common understanding
Anyhow, I think part of the issue is frankly marketing.
Messaging to push increasingly impossible goals has to be emotive, bombastic, almost volatile.
When a person of any sort is blasted with that so much it's normalized both to receive & deliver that kind of magnitude in turn
The market wants fear, sex, anger, to push "interaction".
In seeking information or empathy on why feel isolatedpeople can find support, cesspits, any mix.
The ones that keep building though avoid discomfort & instead make people feel big.
Bullshit devalues sincerity & increases paranoia essentially.
"This is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked."
"So what are Democrats to do? The answer is simple: This is a game they cannot win, so they have to stop playing. Know at the outset that no matter what you say or do, Republicans will cry that you’re disrespecting good heartland voters."
obama's message was simply "hope" and people were so goddamned starved for it that it got him 8 years in the big chair.
They’re so consumed with the fear that we’ll treat them the way they’ve treated us.
They're observing at some level that they're unfairly advantaged based on lived experience, logically recognizing that maybe they should feel bad about that or should do something about it, and recoiling at their own moral sensibilities.
But also the mano-sphere is pumping up the propaganda to 1000%.
GOP propaganda 101
Plenty of leftists say all men are bad— it helps nobody, and hurts many. Unless we think this gay guy is also a right wing propagandist?
a. Joking
and b. Not claiming it's an intrinsic quality of man/boyhood.
The people who sincerely believe men/boys are instrinsically bad are very fringe and not taken seriously by the vast majority of society.
Men are afraid that women will laugh at them."
Fuck, I’m sure threats against women are fine and dandy. But joking men? That is too far, man!
https://bsky.app/profile/jefffreyspies.bsky.social/post/3loeh4jyeks2v
https://bsky.app/profile/sigreign.bsky.social/post/3lobvsgc2ik2h
[hsssss]
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An unqualified black got your spot in college
Feminism is a commie plot to kill white babies
That Mexican stole your job
And your heritage is being destroyed by Democrats and Foreigners
They're mad that being a man isn't a free pass for criticism for being an asshole.
As a former men, nowhere feels safe.
If you can't distinguish between being a loud, hostile, antisocial, selfish boor and "masculinity" that's on you.
Future Men by Douglas Wilson
Wild at Heart by John Eldredge
Bringing Up Boys by James Dobson
Point Man by Steve Farrar
maybe. who knows.
That's not a valid reason to hate women, but I dunno why yall gotta pretend like that shit wasn't rampant
This was b/c people held the views that girls were weak, couldn't hold their own, etc.
The difference between that and "hitting girls is toxic masculinity" is that it blames the aggressor instead of the victim.
That's the reason they're upset.
“Bad” is at least a personality. “To be avoided” is darn close to “ignored”, and I think we’ve all noticed that’s truly their worst nightmare. To be beneath notice.
Lefty folks changing their rhetoric or beliefs *cannot solve* the problem of right-wing grievance warriors making up lies!
There is no need to pander to these people or “moderate” anything. You can’t solve lies by “not saying it” harder!
You have to talk in the annoying "rallying cry" way male doomers talk, but about how it's the dooming that creates the weak men.
Boys /young men who enjoy watching Twitch streams and video games on YouTube are often then led to alt-right videos and Manosphere bullshit.
It’s the algorithms, baby!
(Well, no, of course not, but that would be kind of amazing if true.)
https://bsky.app/profile/milph.mom/post/3lii4pmgohk2a
It’s propose is to pretend women have way more power than they do, so you don’t need to see the real ways you benefit from their lives being limited by men’s excess.
“As we neofeudalists seek to restore our proper place in the gilded caste order, it is imperative to get the sub-classes fighting and find suspicion with each other, lest they begin to understand what ‘workers of the world unite’ means . . . to our demise.”
Warriors!
Denial of this is either disingenuous or blind.
This is a problem for the left, and denying it is a path to continued failure.
If he equates that with "people are telling boys they're bad," he... might need therapy?
They try to convince young men that they should instinctively want to commit rape and other violence.
They frame every criticism of violent behavior as being "anti-male."
To admit you aren't violent is to admit weakness.
Not only seems like the person is telling on themselves, but also that it's a deliberate, cynical strategy intended to isolate and demonize the wholly fabricated group of complainers further.
And somehow still make it the fault and responsibility of women
"Men are afraid to have lunch with female colleagues" = "Every one of the women you work with is a potential lawsuit and you should shun them into going home to have babies instead"
They know what they're doing.
Even when directly called on it, they refuse to see the "toxic" adjective as being meaningful in the phrase.
Cons: So you're saying it's bad for me to be who I am
Libs say our behavior needs mature knowledgable guidance while the Cons say.. I am capable of everything and should be allowed to freely exercise what I am capable of...
yea we're all capable of good and bad, cons want to be free to do good And bad..
“OH, SO EGGS ARE JUST ROTTEN TO YOU???”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ZAmttjfOY
But also, I've literally never had that happen. And I've spent far too much of my life on the internet.
But the people prescribing behavior and being judgmental seem to be “from the other side”? (“We wrote the book on what it means to be manly!”😜)
Just because they would be an abjectly abysmal garbage bag of a human being, given half a chance, they assume everyone else would be as well and cannot see beyond any behavior that doesn't relate to this.
*(maybe a GenX thing)
Facebook serving moderation spam that is fascist tolerant & requires common permabans has screwed up the internet for 2 decades. Dont even get me started on goonergate
But. I have a plan 😻😽😼
We need *gated*, not walled gardens. You dont know what’s happening behind a walled garden, i would say but….. uh i do & its bad
We need human, contactable, logical & transparent moderations of them
We need public discourse not beholden to a millionaires or worse
If men take that to mean “men & boys are bad” that just tells me how they think they should be allowed to behave.
Even “liberal” men often insist you specify “not all men” or that “patriarchy hurts men too” or “men can also be victims” etc etc before they’ll even consider listening!
You're white and poor? MINORITIES!
You're male and poor? WOMEN!
You're male and single? WOKE WOMEN!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/27/the-100-plus-times-donald-trump-has-assured-us-the-united-states-is-a-laughingstock/
It is not hard to be nice to others.
and also give us your tax dollars
So-called liberal elites constantly whinge about how much they don't pay attention to us (they certainly don't pay attention to Democrats living here). /end
Is this gay guy conservative propaganda? He admits to regularly doing exactly what you say doesn’t happen, no?
The manosphere is just another toxic arm of norms telling boys they can't have a full range of healthy emotions and be whatever they want to be.
His feminist mom says screw that.
Then it’s half gay.
And why would a male dominated family need men to do housework?
I think you're not only underestimating the issue but seeing it only from your perspective.
in two-working-parent households, the woman usually does the lion's share of any and all housework
why is that
That's an extremely broad question.
People do odd things for convience?
Why do people choose any sort of hierarchy?
I also teach them to understand that other people make other decisions for other reasons, so be careful who you trust and how you relate to them.
Thank you for sharing.
Good luck with reattaching your ass.
Thanks for the assuming motivations and judging based on your assumptions.
Sounds like you think the deal is non optional. How do you see this working as a non optional deal? (No other deal types allowed?)
Guilty conscience? Or some other reason why only girls and women should learn how to prevent rape?
For the people who have made deals that are more "traditional" (historical-ish), why are their deals not allowed?
Sounds like you're saying that gender equality in household duties isn't just a good idea, it's the law (metaphorically). How will that come about? How you gonna enforce that?
If you think it takes a stronger man to get to to a point where boys need to learn chores, ok, thanks for sharing.
You don't have to agree with people to understand them.
Why are you judging ME for understanding Christian teachings? Do you not know those type of people?
What the fuck is the problem you're angry at??
WHO is saying the bad thing above? I don't think anyone actually is.
It's not being a devil's advocate to say that stereotypical thinking that isn't especially accurate isn't helping anyone.
It's our version of Reagan's welfare queens. Let's deal with reality.
right-wing commentary: They're lying to you to try to make you weak and effeminate. You must have a six-figure job, a jaw that cuts glass, and plans to be your traditional family's sole provider in the apocalypse at minimum.
Er, I mean you are not being annoying to me. I agree it's an issue worth nuance.