Introducing a thought I have: Plastic Water Bottles.
A “Plastic Water Bottle” is what I call any problem that we see as super evil despite the fact that there is an extremely similar bigger problem (plastic soda bottles) that we never think about only because we’re simply more used to it.
A “Plastic Water Bottle” is what I call any problem that we see as super evil despite the fact that there is an extremely similar bigger problem (plastic soda bottles) that we never think about only because we’re simply more used to it.
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Love, a Coca-Cole devotee.
And no, I've never been accused of being the greatest of all time. Or of the billy variety either. 😉
We can only forge a new path forward that takes the profit incentive to exploit short-sighted growth away from these mega-corporations.
People care about the contents, not the delivery mode.
we need to reduce consumption, but that reduces profits so :/ I guess we'll die
but we must reduce consumption and profits
In any other era in history, a clear bottle that costs nothing to make, doesn't shatter easily and can be reused multiple times would be a miracle, a treasured heirloom.
Sure, soda streams need refills- less often than you have to go get a new bottle of soda, by a bit.
It's like 7 gallons for a 300 gram burger of used water.
I distinctly remember when bottled water started to become popular, a lot of people thought bottled water was basically a scam. The idea sounded like bottled air.
Guess that doesn't work for everything but it feels better than arbitrarily separating plastic water bottles and soda bottles
Where I am at in the US this is pretty common in the last two years. Two Bins, but only one truck comes to get everything. It's really disappointing.
Vs Cheetos
Unlike plastic bottles it is infinitely recyclable, doesn’t break as easily when dropped like glass, and can be screwed closed to stop spilling unlike a can.
If anyone in the US gave a shit about recycling in a big enough way, it would be a much larger industry. Everyone would know someone who worked in a recycling plant here, Stateside.
You’ll notice we don’t live in that world.
i keep at least 1/2 dzn gallon bottles of water on hand specifically b/c of this problem.
Buying water in plastic bottles shouldn't be a thing!
(Don't want to potentially make it more inconvenient to drink soda now do we???)
A plastic bottle is a plastic bottle, no matter what its contents are.
Couldn't we just have automatic soda dispensers for people to fill up their own bottle(s) from home to do the same thing?
I remember a grocery store chain trying that in the 80s. (Quebec-based Super Carnaval, now Super C.) Those machines got pretty disgusting pretty quickly.
What was needed was a way to access it cheaply.
What we got was plastic pollution.
Maybe we should invest in piping for sugar water too.
Bottle is one type of plastic & there is system to collect w/o mixing them w/ other types of plastic - that's vital. 30% are recycled - might seem low but quite high for plastics. Coke uses 100% recycled plastic in some products.
Perhaps it also has to do with the (probably false) seeming contradiction between a health conscious beverage being in a not so good container.
Or perhaps its because unlike soda its available in your home without plastic yet for convenience we chose plastic.
so very trite ... I can easily imagine one of Putin's mafia taking on AI to replicate you.
so pointless ...
I work for a grocery store. Any given week, we sell about 5 or 6 pallets of water cases (~7,500 water bottles a week), and I only sell about 5 pallets of coke and pepsi, mostly in aluminum cans.
1. Fancy water
2.during disasters (so a canning company does a run of water, or
3. For celebs- so it looks like they’re drinking (product) but they can have water at shows and stuff.
it's a bit expensive so, it kinda sucks that way.
Why buy the bottle?!
Has to be cheaper to ship & offsets bottle/can production
At-home carbonation is gaining popularity, and at the moment we don't have reusable alternatives for store-bought. It's not equal.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/recycling-plastics-producers-report
Why?
They get paid for *new* plastic.
Though, I do understand what you are getting at!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYXsdcLkIVY
And even before, I thought the "Water" was just a stand-in for insert-favourite-liquid-here...
Diesel all together.
Each house will have a different soda till there are no more brands available, then just continue from the first brand in the next house.
Homeowners will still have to pay.
So yes, possibly biased, but not un-useful. Though it's 3am and I haven't read the study.
Though fwiw I believe nature's evil is evil too, so human carnism is itself a plastic water bottle
People also preach "adopt don't shop" and most may practice it in regard to pets
But I believe it applies to children
Can a passive RFID antenna be drawn or spray-printed using a conductive polymer ink, cheaply?
If it can, then automatic sorting becomes robotic, and vending machines could take bottles for credit.
Glass has no upper limit.
Aluminum bottles are also an interesting option. Tiny film of plastic, but still lightweight, and the metal is recyclable.
Tougher to do that with soda.
Marketing is a bit of a distraction here. One we'd more easily agree on, though.
Maybe I've hit more of a rock bottom than I realized...
This is a very German thing to do. We call it Schorle.
Well played.
Sucks american water systems are so bad in a lot of places.
What sucks even more is that people think this is a rebuttal to an argument about whether we should care more about bottle waste from soda or water, instead of its own extremely urgent problem that should be separately discussed.
I didn't see *any* soda fountains.
Did I get scammed?
Counter-counterpoint: at-home soda fountains are rad.
Plastic requires relatively little oil because the polymers are quite strong (that’s why it’s great and terrible).
Transport & heating changes are 10x the return for CO2 mitigation.
While soda is an artificial invention that I can't just drink from other sources.
Just not the tolerance for the inconvenience.
I guess I always assumed more people consumed plastic water bottles since they come in packs of 36 and soda is a max of 6.
I never understood how plastic was an affordable replacement for reusable glass.
Maybe a Hank video would help me understand lol
If companies were disincentivized from creating waste downstream maybe we’d see a switch back to glass. Cans are better though because they’re easier to recycle and preserve things better.
The fact we are paying for something which is essential to all living organism and which was not a commodity a century ago, is what differentiate both of them
These clean taps should be directly next to the Coca-cola, Dr. Pepper, and Sprite taps for poor people that do not have a Freestyle machine next to their fridge.
Then I start thinking about all the car washes in FL… 🫤
https://youtu.be/W05yBVq18cY?si=0vlskJnOmNrOXKkU
Are aluminum cans perfect? No. Are they *less bad* than plastic or glass bottles? Yes - especially if recycled. https://www.endplasticwaste.org/insights/story/environmental-impact-of-five-different-soft-drink-containers
see also: people still obsessing about turning off the lights when every single one of their drafty or under-insulated windows is leaking more energy than just about all the lights in their house
Incandescent light bulbs last 1000 hours.
A good LED lasts 50,000 hours.
The AC-DC convertors sometimes die earlier than that.
Yes, new problem here, but, bigger related problem still over there.
This tracks.
Like that kind of argument?
(Still on your side of the fence though about batteries. Fuck those bad faith arguments.)