Nah, we just all collectively bitterly hate the bloodyhanded billionaire oligarchs and murder-for-hire megacorps who control our lives, make them as miserable as possible for the sake of their bottomless greed and profits, and decide when they end for their shareholders' enrichment.
I haven't seen any sympathetic coverage of Luigi in mainstream media. In fact, media has been running articles about their shock at sympathetic social media posts along with thinly veiled "poor CEOs are now terrified" bits, as though the American people haven't faced random shootings for decades.
It's particularly tragic when children in school die, yes. But there are lots of reported mass shootings in all kinds of settings (supermarkets, churches, concerts, movie theaters, military bases, on and on) AND there are a lot of areas where there's just...gunfire. A lot.
I lived in a large US city and whenever it was a reasonable temperature to leave our windows open at night, we would. And we'd hear gunfire from a mile or two away, especially on weekend nights. So much so that we ID'd different patterns: gang vs celebratory.
And don't be outdoors in a large US city (especially in a former Confederate state) on New Year's Eve because people shoot guns into the air in "celebration" with a failure to understand physics. Ditto any night of a large sports championship.
i'm not sure what point you're trying to make but i think we're on the same side of this issue? maybe if the left wouldn't fucking eat itself, we could win elections once in a while. 🙄
It bears mentioning that I live with a pervasive, relentless, underlying anxiety that I or someone i love will get very sick and be utterly bankrupted or denied/ delayed getting care. I can't be the only one. I've felt terrorized by the American healthcare system my entire life.
I think a lot about that woman whose leg got badly injured somehow in the Boston subway, begging people not to call her an ambulance. Because of the cost.
That's far from the only story where someone obviously needed emergency healthcare and refused an ambulance.
Nice try. The problem is it's typically the media doing that PR. This time the media is trying to make the public hate him, but the public doesn't want to.
Because the system is broken and we all know it, and he represents a fight against that broken system.
LMAO the fucking race bait. Fuuuckkk off people "empathize" with Luigi cuz we can give a bear inf number of examples of CEOs being evil and not held to account
Luigi could have been anyone and the results would have largely been the same, a bunch of us would be celebrating what they did to a greedy CEO that makes our lives miserable to increase profit margins for shareholders.
Terrible take. It’s because he did what the majority of people want to do but don’t due to the repercussions and moral ambiguity. CEOs from corporations that are mostly terrible and should be taxed at much higher levels. Add that with massive income inequality. I’m not sure if he’s the last tho.
I figure every would-be school shooter is looking at society’s reaction and wondering “do I really want to be beaten and raped daily in prison for shooting little kids? Or do I want universal acclaim for killing a CEO creep who murders dozens of Americans a day from behind the corporate veil?”
It’s the best possible outcome if incel shooters turn from murdering innocent children for infamy and move to gunning down murderous CEO cretins. Maybe then we’d also get gun control?
Os produtores em Hollywood devem estar se estapeando pelo direito do filme sobre ele😏
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Interest in the suspect's background underscores the widespread anger felt towards for-profit healthcare in general and for-profit health insurance, specifically.
also this kind of "reporting" really dilutes and delegitimizes our complaints and critiques of REAL ACTUAL RACIAL PROBLEMS!! You make the racial justice and civil rights movements look goofy!! STOP!!! Before we lump you in with the CEOs!
bruh we dont care if hes white or what, what we want is for all greedy corporates to fucking die so we can fucking live. we want to raise families and see our children survive. I dont even wanna thrive i just wanna survive. Seedy reporting. Very disappointing from Guardian, I expect better of u guys
What Luigi brought to the forefront was how white men like that CEO have been killing and torturing the American public with the swipe of a pen and keystroke which is arguably worse than bullets. This article was disingenuous at best with class traitor drivel and sinister propagandized undertones
The actual journalists for the paper tend to be fantastic, it's the chief editor and the board of the trust which oversees it that have sway to create a specific narrative when occasions like this arise.
I love this, well said. And I want to add that if your insurance "provider" is United Healthcare and you do get shot with actual bullets, chances are they'd deny your claim after a very expensive hospital stay
One thing that’s been revealed is MSM’s concern not about the ‘little people’, but about the wave of populist sentiment unleashed in the wake of the CEO’s murder.
Um. No… don’t minimize the actual and truly serious issue of healthcare in the US, and the growing divide between rich and poor. The current system is not sustainable. Right or wrong, Luigi’s actions brought more awareness to that, which is why people are empathetic to him.
This nonsense is just cause he (deservedly) killed a CEO. Because white male suspect have always been obsessed over by the media and no one has ever cared.
genuinely, I used to read some guardian articles, thinking that for some news, e.g. war in ukraine, that it was alright, but now I will legitimately never read anything from the guardian
the media has been working overtime to humanize the victim because he was a white male millionaire who made his money condemning other people to death. what a fucking joke this paper is.
There is a quote at the end of the piece that implies any examination of external causes is wrong and endorses the predator/super predator classification system.
It is a demand to dehumanise all criminal suspects. It's grim as fuck.
How braindead you have to be to write this article (let alone publish it) when it's obvious the exact opposite is occurring across mainstream media outlets. The Guardian is as shit as Fox News. Congrats.
He plead Not guilty….
This case could go either way
State need to prove a lot of police sez
Photo, gun,fingerprints etc
It is not clear cut as many think
Am not a lawyer, but I believe charging and prosecuting are two different things. I think they can only prosecute with number of charges either state or fed or one after next with different charges otherwise you are right it would double jeopardy
Like what they're talking about in the broader sense is true, he would be treated differently if he wasn't white. However, they're comparing a guy to who shot a CEO with a bunch of guys who killed their families & school shooters.
it is strangely morbid to see people accepting and encouraging murder to bring awareness to a social issue like this, completely dehumanizing anybody finding themselves on the other end of the spectrum with no mercy. where have we ended up?
You've got to ask yourself where dehumanisation came from. Who taught the people that human life doesn't matter if its 'the wrong sort'. Punching up is not as reprehensible as punching down, especially when the lesson in devaluing human life comes from above.
hedidn't fight. He murdered a man from behind like a coward. Those who fight are the people who speak up &work hard to change the system by its own rule. This isn't the Middle East where u think u can solve things with an 👁️for an👁️. 1/2
What do you think UnitedHealth does? It's an extractive business that creates value for shareholders by denying care. We've been accepting and encouraging murder for decades.
Weird that this is the first time this specific take has been published in this journal. The one shooter people actually sympathize with the motives, suddenly we clutch our pearls and say "we should stop humanizing white shooters".
I've been reading the Guardian for a very long time and I'm sure they've covered this topic many times. It's that kind of outlet.
At no point does she, or anyone interviewed suggest we should stop humanising anyone.
empathetic? he's ratings and sales. gets more clicks than others I can think of for appearance alone. and hard to forget if the overarching reason wasn't something so many people can identify with in the first place (even among the police and reporters who have to deal with him)- no fan club.
The problem with the Luigi Mangione coverage is that there is so much of it. SO MUCH BANDWAGONING. One man my (or may not) killed another man in the streets of NYC. Probably happened at least twice somewhere else in the city that day. But Luigi gets coverage like he killed a Billionaire / President.
"But Luigi gets coverage like he killed a Billionaire / President."
Because the wealthy and powerful realize it could have been them instead, they largely do the same thing just more removed from the direct result of people dying.
But you deny people essentials, like food, housing, etc, and yeah.
I believe there were five other murders in NYC that day and none of them had these kinds of resources thrown at solving them nor have any of the other 5 been solved. Rich people are the only victims the cops give a shit about.
The Guardian is supposed to be progressive.
They totally miss the point.
It's not about a white male. It's about the anger against the greed of the health insurance companies.
The fact that Robin Hood is white is irrelevant unless your prism, as an author, is race.
Misguided.
BTW, here is the author
Suddenly, the media is "concerned" that white males are getting sympathy. What a coincidence that it's when a wealthy CEO gets murdered. You are not fooling us. You are trying to protect your bottom line.
And you know if the shooter had been Black, the coverage would be entirely different.
It matters to the media, not us. We're in this cool place now where we're not going to be divided by the usual racial constructs the press and billionaires have laid out for us. Nope.
Honestly, if the public opinion doesn’t change soon, I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to subtly other Italians from ‘white people’ again to try to shift it a bit.
It's almost as if they believe they had us cowed & thought they were above a bit of revolution!
His reception has zero to do with skin colour & everything to do with his actions. This story aims to misdirect people's anger onto bullshit race lines.
Stop publish this bs racism opinions. The reason behind empathetic towards Luigi is because he is handsome and what he has done, not because his skin color.
Are you talking about the guy here shown with the halo, who didn’t shoot up a school full of children, didn’t strangle to death a harmless poor black person, didn’t shoot his own wife & children & himself, but instead rid the world of a white man who made millions on the deaths of 1000s each year?
The deceased has more blood on his hands than every single GOP school shooter put together. There's bad takes. There's really bad takes. Then there's whatever the hell this is. The author should probably be working in the mailroom.
You could have posted this article at any point during any of the hundreds of violent weirdos of the past decade, and NOW you run with it? Don't carry water for billionaires you cowards.
Media is attempting and failing to humanize Brian Thompson. President John F. Kennedy was a wise man who would have understood what he was watching were he still with us.
You're missing the point.
She's reacting to the fact that Robin Hood is getting empathy and her interpretation is that because he's white and male.
Her own ethnicity and gender could elicit her perception.
If you did not know her, you'd have no way to put 2 and 2 together.
Just saying.
People loved him before they knew he was a white male because of what he did. The fact that we aren't seeing this thinkpieces about the humanization of Daniel Penny, also a white man but one who killed a homeless black man instead of a CEO (also white), tells us where the media stands.
I didn’t miss anything, you’re saying exactly what you implied but out loud. I think this is a weird and personal attack. Posting a picture of the author and saying we can’t trust her take bc she’s a black woman talking about a white man. It’s not a clever take and is impossible to prove.
Don't put words in my mouth.
My goal was to explain her prism and the article bias which brought about most of the negative reactions in this thread.
I never wrote "we can't trust her". That's from you.
Try not to superimpose your own anti-racist or pro-gender-equality prism. This is unnecessary.
Like really the core of it is saying "the media is humanizing him" lol in what universe? The old media types are trying so hard to shame people for liking him. Obviously this is a ploy at playing to "wokeness"
I don't think it's so much that the shooter was a white male, but that the victim was an absolutely soulless fucking scumbag in a sea of fucking scumbags that our legal system perpetually refuses to do anything about as the shitfucks actually making decisions hide behind "corporate" liability.
Those CEOs are legally obligated to create as much profit as possible to their shareholders. The justice system was never designed to punish them, only to punish us when we do something about it.
Sure, I get that. But the problem is that they take it too far. Cutting into the well-being of employees and customers is beyond the pale. And a lot of these people seemed to think they were untouchable, and now they're panicking because one of their own was taken out in the middle of the street.
It doesn't mean it's going to be allowed to go on forever. At some point, it's going to impact so many people that some type of UBI would have to be implemented at minimum. If not, well.... something like the French Revolution could happen in modern society.
Adhering to laws and regulations, developing and motivating staff, determining long term strategies and balancing against short term gains. Preparing for technological, social and political changes. Keeping the market informed,and the shareholders under control
its not a law like "first degree assault", but they are obligated, legally to the shareholders, or even other board members, and can face penalties for willfully and knowingly failing to fulfill the contractual obligation that comes with the position.
yeah Im not saying they aren't culpable. and Im not saying that they are legally obligated to put profit over everything. they choose which avenues to follow.
One opposite example, that I remember, is Christopher Dorner, a black ex-LAPD-cop who was humanized and praised to the point of meme status, to this day, for attacking corrupt and racist police officers. i believe your news industry normally calls such events "officer-involved shootings".
The media hasn't been very empathetic, they've given pro-CEO writers pages and pages of op-ed space, and covered the depravity of people simping for him. Social media users have been empathetic, and thirsty, and angry, etc., but those are not the same things.
Maybe that’s why so many people like him so much—the dude is really really rich. Another rich man said he could get away with shooting someone on 5th Avenue. Do all rich people think alike? And at the state level, Luigi may get away with it. Jury nullification. The federal level maybe not so much.
I don’t appreciate that people want to copy him. The gesture is one thing, but with his brains, and his copious amounts of money and education, he could’ve done great things rehabilitating the industry, perhaps. He could have been a hero without the murder—quick and easy becomes terroristic. 😞
He has been humanized because there isn't a person of ANY IDENTITY who cannot relate to the frustration of navigating the intentionally convoluted healthcare system.
Your concern is that you might one day be considered important enough to be considered part of the problem.
Absolutely, I used to like The Guardian. I refuse to follow them now. This article is disgraceful. One of the most important events of our time, and they have either capitulated to the ruling elite or are completely tone deaf to their readers. Either way they suck!
He killed a guy who almost got me killed, and got a lot of other people killed. He was popular before anyone knew anything about him other than that he wasn't Black.
Oh.... so out of all the thousands, this is the one white male suspect that you want to chime in on. I promise you this is the one white male suspect that we the people have no problem with.
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Those don't make big news but still kill people.
That's far from the only story where someone obviously needed emergency healthcare and refused an ambulance.
Because the system is broken and we all know it, and he represents a fight against that broken system.
Also, you're writing this from the land of universal healthcare. There's a lot more going on with this case than him just being white.
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Nice work by your photo editor, though 😉
The general empathy for Mangione is rooted in anger at health “insurance” companies.
Magister Militum has also proven to not be a very relevant position
Scolds are always scolds
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It is a demand to dehumanise all criminal suspects. It's grim as fuck.
This case could go either way
State need to prove a lot of police sez
Photo, gun,fingerprints etc
It is not clear cut as many think
We need more ppl like him.
Perhaps you should, delete, rewrite and then promise your readers you'll get your head out of of your ass by 2025.
How is it a mystery that this person is being celebrated? How is that difficult to understand?
Someone finally stood up to one of those ghouls that's been killing people like us. That's why.
Maybe shitty people don't deserve mercy?
Did hitler deserve mercy? No.
So why should this guy?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/26/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-murders-blm-protest-militia
At no point does she, or anyone interviewed suggest we should stop humanising anyone.
This is from the same author..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/10/daniel-penny-acquittal-white-vigilante-crime
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Because the wealthy and powerful realize it could have been them instead, they largely do the same thing just more removed from the direct result of people dying.
But you deny people essentials, like food, housing, etc, and yeah.
They clearly already get enough from their corporate daddies
Support actual left ldaning media
You should delete this.
They totally miss the point.
It's not about a white male. It's about the anger against the greed of the health insurance companies.
The fact that Robin Hood is white is irrelevant unless your prism, as an author, is race.
Misguided.
BTW, here is the author
One implies stupidity, the other malice. I find the difference is very important.
Harry Frankfurt would call the article's take "Bullshit".
LMAO.
Does that include picturing him with a halo?
It matters to the media, not us. We're in this cool place now where we're not going to be divided by the usual racial constructs the press and billionaires have laid out for us. Nope.
Don’t listen to this, folks theyre trying to separate us from our unification
His reception has zero to do with skin colour & everything to do with his actions. This story aims to misdirect people's anger onto bullshit race lines.
Don't look at that, look at this! Same old story.
The Guardian is actively race-baiting its readership in an attempt to save the Billionaire class, The Guardian!
Fixed the headline for you. Enjoy your weekend.
Which isn't weird, because it hasn't even happened once.
2 - The sympathy already existed before the publication of his face.
3 - Congratulations on choosing the pic.
...And you're scared.
This is barely a step up from "Dont you know he was a trustfund kid? You should *hate* him"
Civil disobedience scares the piss out of the establishment and now they're throwing anything at the wall to downplay his support.
Get a grip.
She's reacting to the fact that Robin Hood is getting empathy and her interpretation is that because he's white and male.
Her own ethnicity and gender could elicit her perception.
If you did not know her, you'd have no way to put 2 and 2 together.
Just saying.
The entire premise of this article, then, is wrong. A shit take is a shit take no matter what you look like.
Kudos.
My goal was to explain her prism and the article bias which brought about most of the negative reactions in this thread.
I never wrote "we can't trust her". That's from you.
Try not to superimpose your own anti-racist or pro-gender-equality prism. This is unnecessary.
Their sociopathy demands it.
They're supposed to balance a number of competing priorities in the company's long term interest.
Did you think i didn't know?
They choose to do it because they evil and greedy. Don't let them off the hook
They aren't legally obligated to take a job that demands they kill people for profit, though.
That is very much their choice.
I didn't notice anyone in the MSM humanizing Kyle Rittenhouse.
I don't like submarines either, but I appreciate the blowing up gesture
He has been humanized because there isn't a person of ANY IDENTITY who cannot relate to the frustration of navigating the intentionally convoluted healthcare system.
Your concern is that you might one day be considered important enough to be considered part of the problem.