My favorite detail of that CEO shooting video is the witness that realizes what's happening and starts to run away, but can't run too fast because they're holding a coffee and don't want to spill it.
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Yes and no. Let me be clear, I don’t support harming anyone. Even though the GOP wants everyone to wield a gun, I believe no one should have a gun. We’re certainly in very fucked up times now. And I don’t think it’s going to get any better unfortunately.
this is a very dishonest response to the reply. the intent communicated is not that the means are good, only the ends. no comment on the means were made.
It's sad that it ever had to reach this point, but the lesson of history is that if you try to push the people too hard- eventually the guillotines will come out. It's a fact that that is a trend throughout human history. Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent change inevitable.
Since when has the American political system not supported gun violence? This is a predictable consequence of a system, imposed upon us by elites, that we are individually powerless to change. CEOs will spend billions on security before they stop waging class warfare against the rest of us.
Omg TikTok comments on news articles about this was the balm I needed. So brilliant. “Thoughts and claims denials.” “The NYPD needs a referral to investigate”… https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8NFgXd5/
America? The place where the entire population is on the brink a dehydration crisis and have to carry a hydro flask and a Dunkin cup full of iced coffee at all times.
It's difficult for me to feel sorry for a man who gained a lot of money by refusing people medical care. (In other words, by declining to cover things.)
In Vancouver a guy in front of a couple dozen ppl belted a dude without warning knocking him to the ground at a bus stop. The video shows no one tried to follow the assailant from a distance to aid police. CTV News has run the video a few times.
United healthcare cost me my job at godaddy, I will gain sleep tonight from this. Thoughts and claim denials go out to those directly, negatively affected by this
There's been conflicting reports but I've seen multiple gun nerds identifying it on sight, so it's what I'm leaning towards unless it's officially confirmed otherwise.
Honestly I'd be a little disappointed to find out he was merced for some dirt he did to some other corporation than by some customer that he fucked over
Your lack of humanity whilst watching a fellow human get gunned down like a dog in a viral video is very telling.
I hope similar doesn't happen to you one day, but if it does I hope you get the send off you crave 👍🏼
If only we had this much feeling for school shootings. But no, people are flipping out over a CEO getting shot. In a city with the strictest possible gun laws.
Canada here & the same. We have one public broadcaster (CBC) and three main private broadcasters.
The CBC showed both while the private broadcasters focused on the CEO. We'd have sympathy for the CEO but the biased coverage of "the tragic loss of a generous man" v. generic children makes it hard.
There were more school shootings in 2024 than there were weeks in 2024 so far.
It's not just because they don't care, but also because their audience don't care anymore. They were desensitized completely by such frequent school shootings.
Someone said when I posted something similar that it’s the schools fault. He showed me books on how to survive a school shooing…
Why and when did this become the norm??!
This goes a long way to explain some of it. I believe that school shootings and suicides are somewhat related. Can't tell me a school shooter has a lot of positive vision for their own future.
There is truth to that. You remind me of that change on covering suicides the news networks agreed on some years back(here in Quebec at least). They found that whenever there was a big suicide story, lots more people followed, so now they don't do big explainers on it.
He was a very good person. I have had company meetings with him. Weather you believe it or not, he was trying to help make insurance cheaper and to curb outrageous prices by doctors.
I've actually heard a similar sentiment with someone who had meetings with some of his employees, who said they liked him and thought he was a very good person. I understand the whole wanting to eat the rich and nobody like private health care but the reaction to this is sorta crazy...
you understand “eat the rich” but are confused by people celebrating the death of a multimillionaire? do you think that means ask them nicely to stop hoarding all the wealth or something?
I think most of the celebrations is coming from people cheering over someone up high in the private health care sector being slain and not because he was rich. I might be wrong but all the jokes/memes seem to be health care related so I don't know.
yeah because the healthcare system here is fucking trash. in order to even have a chance of being able afford any medication or procedure you have to hope your job (which is the only affordable way to get insurance for most people) gives you decent insurances. you then have money taken out of
This. What has a 50 year old done to deserve making $9 million a year on the backs of Americans who literally DIE without drugs they need to survive? Because there has to be an algorithm to ensure a “talented” exec gets ungodly salary? If we ask nice will they accept, I dunno, a mere $5 million?
Would you still be celebrating if this guy was a friend or family member of yours? If one of your close friends suddenly received a large opportunity to work for a company to earn lots of money in their respective career does that change anything?
I don't know, I don't have the answer to that. I'm sure someone has a graph of exactly how much money you have to earn to be considered in the "be eaten" category but unfortunately I do not have that on me. I'm not defending him, or CEO big cheques - Just what I had heard about the fallen guy.
And yet he still collected his multi million dollar paycheck. It’s almost like doing one or two nice things doesn’t negate the millions of atrocities he’s culpable of.
I also work in the MCO space and while that is the goal, clearly what we are doing is ineffective and is pissing everyone off… the financers, the employees/members and the providers. Something has to change and the UHC approach is not working!
Well he got a bunch of people killed or fucked their lives up instead. So would you rather I call him an incompetent worm who didn't deserve his position or a piece of shit who's definitely going to hell?
The claim denial rate of his company was an insane 30+%. Won't be shocked if he was put down by a family member of someone who died because of the slimeball company he ran.
BS. 37% denial rate. It’s not like he turned down bonuses and stock options on record profit from those denials of LIFE SAVING care. That was his justification to you and maybe even himself but it’s not reality. You don’t get a pass from karma just because you lie to yourself about your motives.
I actually believe you, and I think what this says more than anything is that the danger isn't greedy CEOs, but that they are all beholden to shareholders, and health insurance is a capitalist endeavor and shouldn't be
I have sympathy for the family who tragically lost their husband and father. But lets be real - to “curb outrageous prices by doctors” is to maximize margins for a for profit insurer and its shareholders. Many hospitals are barely breaking even.
I mean, he was a CEO. I'm sure he was extremely polite and well mannered and respectful to the people he did business with.
Not so much to the literal millions of people his company bankrupted by profiting off their desire to not suffer and/or die from entirely treatable medical conditions.
Cameras everywhere... but that said, the shooter looks like just about every NYer walking around. 'Guy wearing hoodie w/gray backpack' identifies about 5,000 people in the immediate vicinity.
Guaranteed that backpack contains a change of clothing and a trash bag to dispose of the stuff they don't want to keep, and looks collapsible. Probably ducked into any number of places and maneuvered out of there and all the evidence will be in the trash somewhere. Dude prob went straight to work.
I had the same odd idea. That he packed a tie, shirt, etc. In the backpack, dumped his hoodie, and sauntered off to his job. I had a vision of him walking in, saying good morning to colleagues, and sitting at his desk as if it was any other morning. Probably a fantasy. But similar to yours.
They can probably 'attempt' to track this guy using cameras from nearby areas before/after the shooting and the Ebike rental, IF they made the mistake of using a personal card or something, but it's doubtful. It could be their own ebike or rented some other way, or even just stolen, but I doubt it.
If we go with the 'vengeance' routine we have room for the person to not be as thorough as we might imagine. There's basically an ebike block at every corner in the area near the shooting. I'd just suspect that the person was smart enough 'not' to use their own info to pay/rent it.
But let's assume the person made a mistake and figured they were scot free once they got on the bike... they still gotta find that bike and/or track it. People can rent bikes anywhere and for a long time, across multiple outlets... it's not a Citibike... it's some other model.
Do we, though? Our president-elect has 34 felonies and is Scot Free. 🤷 Street Justice is up next. I don't even care anymore. This election sucked the empathy right out of me.
This guy got sued so many times and always got away with it.
The company UnitedHealth was sued again just recently in November. It became a monopoly by acquiring its rivals, it made $380 billion in 2023, by denying coverage, stealing people's money.
Killing the CEO of 1 insurance company will change only 2 things. The next CEO will have armed protection at public events, and 2 children grow up without a Dad.
Nothing ever happens to them because they & other big corporations “fund” our representatives and 2/3 of the Supreme Court.
Man, I wish I had the dedication to formulate more than just a few pretentious thoughts on a blue app so I could accept that challenge. Damn you, ADHD.
As someone who lives in China. Yes. You are a developed country (I think the term "First World" went out of vogue, it was meant to reference "The West", the soviet/communist world and everyone else being the 3rd world). But it's more a reference on institutions working than anything else.
Yes thanks, the USA is first world because by definition it defines the First World! This wording should have changed decades ago because it never makes sense
I wish people would stop conflating 1st/2nd/3rd world with developed/developing/under-developed. The first is about how a country stands relative to NATO, the second is what it says on the tin (development). Post RF invasion of Ukraine, a lot of 3rd world developed states have become 1st world
I was being sarcastic and this is exactly why. Women and girls are dying in America because Christo fascists wrote barbaric laws telling doctors they can’t help them in emergencies. Books banned everywhere. No free healthcare. Which will all only get worse under Trump and project 2025/Doge.
My apologies then, it’s just that conflating those terms is very common even among self described leftists, and the post I was replying to didn’t have the context to indicate irony. Thank you for clarifying and I’ll use r be is to contextualise any future posts from you 😊
The best suppressors struggle to get handguns below 80dB, which is still loud as hell. Think the first few "braps" of a lawn mower starting, or a stock Harley-Davidson
Not a professional hit, first shot was non-fatal in the upper back shoulder, then the gun jammed twice. Probably a victim of medical malpractice and he blames the CEO. Who knows at this point.
A telling sign of how bad the economy is and how much worse they think it will get. It wouldn't surprise me if the witness manages their ADHD with caffeine intake because insurance won't cover the meds they need to manage it.
I’m a believer that United denied his aging mother insurance care. It don’t agree with killing, but I get how mad he might have been if that what it was. Insurance companies suck.
And just like that, Bluesky turns the corner from cutting edge social commentary to Twitter / X style cesspool. Murder isn't funny. The penalty for running a company that does shitty things is not being gunned down on your way to a meeting. We should be better than this. Don't be assholes.
There isn't one & that's a problem. Why isn't Congress addressing the abuses by healthcare Co's? The ACA covered pre-existing conditions, but its not enough & Trump tried to kill ACA without replacement.
No, it shouldn't be. Individual citizens being judge jury & executioner is not an acceptable system.
In our society, for better or worse, it is up to Congress to make laws about things like Health Ins. Co. abuse & Congress has failed. We need to elect people who will address real problems.
Just tell me: where exactly is the line in the sand, where a corrupt government becomes so complicit in the abuse of its own people, that we STOP asking the government to fix the problem and do it ourselves?
I share 100% of the frustration. I also believe that we are about to see an unprecedented escalation of both the amount of abuse & the Government being complicit in it.
I agree we must #Resist, it's literally in the Declaration of Independence, but I'm having trouble seeing the bullets.
Everything you listed is what Trump is about to do to all of us. Congress should be protecting us, but Trump & his Congressional yes-men are going to unleash the worst of everything on us. I fully understand the frustration & hope that it will be enough to get the 40% who didn't vote to wake up.
Regarding the other issues you raised, Gaza, school shootings and income inequality, I concur that those are ALL important topics. Happy to discuss those on a different thread. Didn't want you to think I was ignoring that part of what you wrote.
This is what we like to call first world problems.
Fortunately for the coffee, this was a very clean professional hit and not an act of domestic terror designed to make everyone afraid of angsty loners.
My favorite part is the part where an amoral businessman whose entire lifestyle is supported by profiting off the suffering of others suddenly dies in a hail of gunfire.
I can’t believe the comments out here.
He was a very good person. I have had company meetings with him. Weather you believe it or not, he was trying to help make insurance cheaper and to curb outrageous prices by doctors.
As Clarence Darrow once said " I never got into the habit of killing. I could mention the names of many that it would please me if I could read their obituaries in the paper in the morning,”
When that question of your own moral character pops up, just tell yourself you'll show as much concern as the GOP does for all the women who have died due to miscarriage complications because of their medieval abortion laws and beliefs.
There are versions that are snappier but when i looked it up it was the full quote (apparently for a long time, and now I guess? it's misattributed to Mark Twain. the more you know! 🌈)
Good choice with the Glock, the least-jamming gun on the market. This dude apparently had a 3D-printed silencer on it, which is probably the reason he had to manually clear it after each shot.
I work in out-patient physical therapy. Private insurance companies haven’t increased how much they pay us per service in over 20 years. Not just my clinic, all the small businesses. There’s nothing we can do about it except not take insurance and charge patients out of pocket.
I'd argue that far more patients have United healthcare. It traditionally has pretty good coverage, but that's good coverage compared to most other horrific healthcare insurance companies.
Unfortunately there is no other way the “little guy” can take these billionaires down. We just learned that voting is futile because billionaires buy elections. The rest of us have no voice and no recourse. Maybe the American people has finally had it and we’re in the long overdue stage of FO
This guy committed murder. He has to live with that decision, & it won’t be easy to live with that. Somehow I feel like he took this action because something awful happened to him or a loved one.
I hope they don’t find him. His internal strife will torture him… that’s punishment enough.
Jesus, that's horrible. Fuckers who vote ReformUK, who are the ones most likely to need the NHS, need to think hard about this the nexy time they stick an X in the Farage box given he wants to privatise the our free-at-point-of-need health system.
Nah, they'll cover the cost of the anesthesia, but only up to a certain predetermined time. Any time after that, the cost is on you, and anesthesia doesn't come cheap.
Capitalism and Healthcare do not mix.
Let's keep the greed out of it, it's peoples lives at stake.
As far as that CEO death is concerned, I'm surprised more CEO's haven't been murdered.
So we’re advocating the assassination of the CEO’s of ‘bad’ corporations now? Donald Trump is the head of the Trump business empire, which was found to have stolen money from its own kids cancer foundation, amongst many other crimes….😏
I used to have UHC for my Medicare supplement. I dumped them last year for Humana. I haven't had any really bad issues with either, but Humana offered me a bit more.
The bullet.
The message left on the ammunition echoes the phrase “delay, deny, defend,” which is commonly used by attorneys and insurance industry critics to describe tactics used to avoid paying claims. via AP
Pretty hard to feel sorry for a person who ran a company that contributes nothing to society and took advantage of the system to be powerful and rich..ain't it
Surgeries are complicated and vary tremendously by patient, surgeon… that cannot be anticipated. So to allow insurance companies to decide an average acceptable length of anesthesia that is covered is immoral, increases pressure on care givers, risk to patients, cost… total BS and sad for all of us
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Don't spill the coffee 🤣
Priorities man
The town that’s so careful
They named it twice
For comparison, Kaiser denies about 7%.
This CEO even got the dignity to die quickly, unlike thousands of people he denied coverage to in the pursuit of ever increasing QoQ profits.
maybe twice?
Just looked up what that is.
🤔
Odd gun to have.
Remarkably quiet?
the original from WWII recommends it be pressed directly to target. even quieter.
I hope similar doesn't happen to you one day, but if it does I hope you get the send off you crave 👍🏼
The CBC showed both while the private broadcasters focused on the CEO. We'd have sympathy for the CEO but the biased coverage of "the tragic loss of a generous man" v. generic children makes it hard.
It's not just because they don't care, but also because their audience don't care anymore. They were desensitized completely by such frequent school shootings.
Why and when did this become the norm??!
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/09/health/suicide-contagion-explainer/index.html
I'm sure their insurance premiums don't get calculated into patient cost.
But NOT saying he deserved it either.
On the scale of acceptability...
The CEO of a HealthCare Company is on one end...a poor woman with kids and no insurance is on the other.
Not so much to the literal millions of people his company bankrupted by profiting off their desire to not suffer and/or die from entirely treatable medical conditions.
Can you share the video of the guy running with the coffee?
Gawd knows my heart
Can't say I'm shedding tears over a guy responsible for so much misery and death.
The company UnitedHealth was sued again just recently in November. It became a monopoly by acquiring its rivals, it made $380 billion in 2023, by denying coverage, stealing people's money.
Nothing ever happens to them because they & other big corporations “fund” our representatives and 2/3 of the Supreme Court.
I don't believe you.
"He was 50 and still drinking coffee. He could've run away but preexisting conditions from the coffee are responsible for his death."
The juxtaposition of a millionaire being shot down in the street while a bystander saves their coffee is strangely fascinating.
“First World Problems”…..
50 third world countries in a trench coat 🤣🤣
Of course wife is always the first suspect
There isn't one & that's a problem. Why isn't Congress addressing the abuses by healthcare Co's? The ACA covered pre-existing conditions, but its not enough & Trump tried to kill ACA without replacement.
With Trump coming back we are all in trouble.
Maybe I'm tired of watching people getting gunned down for eating lamb kebabs in Gaza or going to school on a friday?
Maybe if the rich and powerful had to suffer like the rest of us, they would't fill the world with horrors they never have to see?
In our society, for better or worse, it is up to Congress to make laws about things like Health Ins. Co. abuse & Congress has failed. We need to elect people who will address real problems.
And when congress gives insurance companies unchecked power over the healthcare system instead, THEN can we shoot them?
How about if they make it illegal to sue insurers?
How about if they make it impossible to discharge medical debt in bankruptcy?
How about if they abolish medicare?
When do we switch from the ballot to the bullet?
I agree we must #Resist, it's literally in the Declaration of Independence, but I'm having trouble seeing the bullets.
Fortunately for the coffee, this was a very clean professional hit and not an act of domestic terror designed to make everyone afraid of angsty loners.
I hope it catches on.
I wonder if insurance will pay or is greedy shitbag a preexisting condition?
“What? someone was just shot? aight hol’ up, I gotta put my coffee down for a second, this cost $10, and I’m not dropping this for him.”
He was a very good person. I have had company meetings with him. Weather you believe it or not, he was trying to help make insurance cheaper and to curb outrageous prices by doctors.
A badge of honour opening hospitals, schools, universities, orphanages...
Now they just hoard wealth and live lives of absurd luxury.
Pathetic
I'd like to be his funeral director
Or the Sackler family of Purdue Pharma?
I hope they don’t find him. His internal strife will torture him… that’s punishment enough.
How many millions do these despicable greedy people need!
I think it is the 4th level of hell that awaits the greedy in Dante’s “The Divine Comedy”.
What's the deductible on a fifth of rotgut whiskey and a stick to bite down on?
Just wow, tres blase.
#marsneedswomen #rva #idpd
Let's keep the greed out of it, it's peoples lives at stake.
As far as that CEO death is concerned, I'm surprised more CEO's haven't been murdered.
https://www.levernews.com/big-insurer-sets-time-limits-on-anesthesia-coverage-during-surgeries/
The message left on the ammunition echoes the phrase “delay, deny, defend,” which is commonly used by attorneys and insurance industry critics to describe tactics used to avoid paying claims. via AP