Hello, this tariff thing has been very insane and I am working on a list of all of the ways that it is insane. It is long and contains things that are both very serious and very silly but in case I'm missing something...suggestions?
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I have painstakingly saved $50 dollars a week for my kids’ college education for 15 years and Donald Trump torpedoed years of my efforts — and he did that purposefully as part of a deal? Guess I have to run for congress to get that insider info. 😡
Not just part of a deal. He stood in the Oval Office on camera and boasted that his friends literally made billions and wasn’t that great. So your kid’s college fund went to already very obscenely rich men so they could brag about being obscenely rich. You should run for office.
There was no "deal", they only did this to steal your and lots of other people's money by tanking the market (shorting it), buying low, propping the market back up to sell again.
This was all about a way to grift on a global scale
I spent my entire therapy session talking about Donald Fucking Trump and the pain and suffering he caused me and my family this week. I am owed for emotional damages and treatment costs.
Waves arms wildly, everything! Mad King picking a down-and-out American's pocket, and Keto Jester picking the Mad King's pocket. And the rest of the world watching in horror.
I did the same thing. Millions of us are. Therapists are probably the only ones making any money right now. (Except my therapist, whom I won’t be able to see anymore now that they cut $880 billion from the ACA today, which means my Medicaid will be deported.)
I’m so sorry that’s happening to you. It’s just unbelievable the damage he’s doing. I’m sure many are wasting the precious sessions they have left doing Trump anxiety triage instead of focusing on treatment. It’s just unconscionable.
Thank you—yep, my therapist says that pretty much every one of her clients is rage-crying about these monsters, myself included on some days. Personally it is the GOPs demeanor that triggers me. Their smug, casual cruelty is just endlessly shocking.
Take care of yourself.
I was just kidding about the emotional damages, but I would definitely sign up for a class action — that bastard has taken years off my life, I’m sure.
That they swaggered around the NASCAR event like they'd just walked off the Reservoir Dogs set, when in reality they'd just crapped themselves because US treasuries were getting dumped
The fact that we don’t actually know if that random Twitter guy actually had insider knowledge and wa ashamed into second guessing and was right in the end, or if trump saw the markets go up at that misinformed tweet and copied it to make it look like he has a plan of some kind
There are so many specific examples in the replies. It all points to something at the root: someone said one thing, and did another. They used a formula on some numbers, and it was... Mostly consistent. But it wasn't for what they *said* it was for.
So now, you can redirect every response/criticism from one thing to the other without actually talking about the actual issue. "Look! Over there" and you spin around and run away.
There is no real insanity here, it was intentionally applied incorrectly so everyone would be confused and busy trying to figure it out while someone runs away with the prize.
1) The impact on health when people under-medicate because of prices.
2) Smuggling of generic drugs to meet demand, its effects on health.
3) Do drug companies in US have production capacities to meet supply.
4) Who benefits from this measure.
5) How many generic drugs are produced in 🇺🇸
Perhaps not directly related to tariffs but to presidents use of executive orders: He has thrown away any notion of consistency in governing out by literally dismantling every EO by Biden, often just to be vindictive. This cannot be the way forward.
It cedes control of the consumer goods sector to organized crime by encouraging retailers to get their supply through smuggling operations to preserve profitability. See also: Prohibition.
The incentive for smuggling it creates (including across the world’s longest land border with Canada), with attendant boosts to organized crime and gray market commerce.
Tariffs are having a huge impact on the reporting of the Musk/Nazi /DOGE stuff. Nobody is talking about it anymore. I'm now wondering what they'll use as a distraction from this
I’d really love to see that list when you’re done . For one , it’s going to cost at least $9200 more for lumber for new houses not to mention all the supplies that you need to build a house , windows doors shingles etc and appliances ! They’re already up!
This tariff could kill a significant portion of the Board Game Hobby industry. Many of the companies that produce games are US based and typically over 50% of sales are in the US with it being as high as 80% in cases. And China is not the default because they are cheap, but because they are the best
To further explain: China has consistently been improving the quality of hobby board game components while every other country has not really been doing any board game manufacturing. And the margins are board games are slim. Really slim. Like 30% tariffs was deadly. The current 145% is existential.
An entire industry could be wiped out by this and there is a lot of chatter in the industry publicly because it isn’t a simple issue to relocate manufacturing when manufacturing outside China at expected quality simply does not exist.
And this is likely not the only industry in this situation.
Could the companies relocate to other countries? Canada? EU? Would let them keep the prices the same for all other non-US customers and if they are in a country with 10% tariff into the US they might still keep some customers there?
The companies themselves maybe, but that is still an expensive endeavor for an industry with thin margins. Most publishing companies in the industry have under 10 employees. These aren’t massive corporations, they are literally someone who made their passion their job and maybe a hired a few others.
They can, I doubt most of them want to fire every employee in the US, making them all homeless, to enrich themselves, because they're not conservatives.
There's speculation we're going to see a rise in paper-based gaming in the U.S.--card games, tabletop games, anything that doesn't rely on large quantities of plastic components. How many businesses are going to be able to weather that transition remains to be seen, though. A lot rely on toy factor.
We must; peacefully protest, boycott, pressure our representatives, mass civil disobedience, inform our neighbors about what is happening, hold/attend town halls, and mass work stoppages.
This cannot be how we let our country die.
Oh, and unemployment in the US is already very low. If your goal is to move jobs to the US, who fills those (largely low-skilled) jobs? The scientists being defunded? The migrants being deported?
Mine and many other's superannuation has been affected. Probably our own neo liberal politicians fault for putting our retirement on the stock market....but it's been affected.
This is probably only a tangent, but I feel it's an important one. If you could highlight who is making money when trillions of dollars are disappearing from peoples' 401Ks, that might put a few more rational thoughts in the heads of disbelievers.
We always hear about how "there's no such thing as a free lunch" in economics. This is the flipdside. Someone always gets paid for lunch. Those dollars didn't just go away and come back when the market dipped and up-dipped. SOMEONE pocketed that cash.
Me too. I want to hang their pics on my dart board. (Actually I want to do something much more violent to them in person with the darts, but I digress…)
1 Just assuming that elasticity of demand and price feed through will cancel each other out exactly (ε=-4, φ=0.25) with zero attempt to actually estimate them, which defeats the point of using any kind of formula in the first place. https://youtu.be/j04IAbWCszg?si=CwzmEY66PKVRWefi
2 just the basic premise which confuses the idea that “a sustained deficit with the rest of the world may be an issue” with “any individual *bilateral* trade deficit is an issue”
The tariffs are not why Canada is so angry. The tariffs are certainly stupid, but it’s the constant, shitty threats to our sovereignty and it’s galling to have our rage constantly reframed by US media as economic hand-wringing.
Yeah, it doesn't take a lot for me to buy Canadian.
The casual threats to our freedom, and as a trans woman, occasionally our personhood are the things that have been upsetting to me and mine. That the idea of "annexation" is just a thing I see bandied about online can honestly feel dehumanizing.
Yeah, I think some of that disingenuousness is on purpose. The US media is *shockingly* compliant in spreading propaganda. News headlines fall over themselves to phrase everything in a way which favors the admin’s agenda, even supposedly left-leaning outlets.
I'm in the USA and I always thought it was more about the 51st state type commentary.
Tariffs on our neighbors is an idiotic and shitty thing to do, and I think ya'll should probably be angry about that too but it seems less than the sovereignty issue.
Sounds like economic hand-wringing is the only language the US understands. So we have to consider the source. Of all the ways to frame anything, it's the only one that Americans know.
Its telling that last time Trump did a tariff against us, most people here in Canada didn't even notice (unless you played Magic because all of a sudden all our cards were printed in Japan with better card stock).
This time? EVERY store is promoting buying Canadian. Because it is that big here.
As an American, I am equally filled with rage about this
We are friends, neighbors with a lot of joint history and connection. Our national interests by and large overlap. Why is he threatening our friends?
It will not be long before they try rallying the US around the War of 1812. Then 25% of the nation will claim to be experts on it and that America really does have a legitimate grievance.
If you don't mind, I'm just going to put every single person that's treating this like a joke on the pile.
I know many of them aren't meaning to cause harm, but by downplaying the reality of this very real threat, they're providing the exact smokescreen the admin needs to move forward on it.
Not saying we should. Just that there are a lot more connections to Puerto Rico than there are to Canada and Puerto Rico isn't close to being the 51st state.
The same for Britain really, we were amongst the only countries to follow the USA into Iraq, we lost people and now we're being told we should be thankful for it. The, and pardon my french here, bloody cheeky of it all is infuriating.
It's really only the politician side (and Republican side) that's been saying these things, I hope you don't look down at the entirety of the US for it.
The mood is that the US is one-third people who actively want and cheer for this, one-third people who simply don’t give a shit to care, and one-third people who care but also aren’t stopping it (I’m aware that last point is broadly unfair, but that’s the optics)
The truth is only 23% of the US population voted for this. The bad news is, this has been a long time coming. This has been bubbling since Reagan. The centralizing of power under the executive started under Clinton and has accelerated since.
We are looking at 40 to 60 years of effort to just get to 2023 levels of f'ed up. Progress will likely be another 20 years, if at all possible. Democracy requires vigilance, education, and participation. All three pillars have been deliberately undermined by moneyed and political interests.
Yeah, its tough to grasp how many are in each camp but I'm surprised I have US friends that seem to be cheering and of Trump on. For the tariffs, heres a survey:
Alas, even if we were to reverse course in the fastest possible way: threat of Economic Armageddon forces the Senate to grow a spine, Trump is impeached, Vance is cowed, and everything gets rolled back... Canada and the world at large still know that a Return To Stupidity is just 1 election away.
And the typical way to avoid these sorts or rash decisions, a parliamentary democracy, doesn't sit well with almost any American I met. It was always interesting living there and saying that Australia has compulsory voting
I'm American, and *I* look down at the entirety of the US for it. It is entirely fair to blame us as a whole because we elected him *again*, knowing full well what he was
To be completely honest the overall sentiment here very much agreed with that. Last time. This time I'd say that most people are more broadly angry with the whole US.
Understandable, the first time could be written off as a fluke, voting an outsider to shake things up. The second time, sadly proves we are no longer a strong democracy that wishes to remain so. I hate this timeline. Now I know what anti Putin Russian citizens feel like.
I for one, as a person on the left, am quite fine with the rest of the world hating the U.S. and divesting themselves from us. South African apartheid was brought down because the world condemned them. If we are gonna get out of this mess, the U.S. needs to be seen as a rogue state.
Saw that coming. Consider helping Americans who never supported this …former president… and don’t support this current co-presidency. Some of us would really like to get out of here, but none of us have protected status as immigrants
I speak for the roughly 1/3 of United Stateseans who voted against this disaster and are miserable and calling our representatives and are protesting *all of this* by saying we are sorry, please don't be mad at us because we can't control our dumb neighbors 😞
Brexiters screwed the credibility of the UK in the eyes of the EU...
Now, regardless that a majority of Britons believes Brexit was a mistake, and that many Brits are OK the UK as a whole is not a credible European partner anymore.
Britain has not had its sovereignty threatened, nor does it hold any territory they have explicitly said they want to annex. I love you guys but Canada and UK are NOT facing the same threats here.
You guys probably have to have a word with Starmer about turning into a complete sycophant as well. Their word can't be trusted, and the rest of us unified together will make us much stronger.
I think people who do not support Trump in the U.S. have gotten so exhausted by him saying insane things it doesn't even register anymore that he's literally threatening wars of aggression and occupation of our friends and allies on a whim. Of course everyone is upset by it, we're just numb.
100%. We already saw high tariffs under the first Trump admin. Nobody is (or, should be) surprised by the tariffs.
What I'm angry about is the threats to our sovereignty, and about Americans treating it like a joke - or worse, thinking we might even *want* to join the US.
I have been explaining that over and over again to Americans and swear to god i don’t understand why they don’t seem to be able to grasp it.
(Canadian living in the US wondering when he’ll get disappeared for reskeeting the Onion)
How much would tariffs affect the medical industry in our already broken healthcare system? (Prescriptions, medical supplies, durable medical equipment, etc)
Coverage, rather than policy. Still, I think it is worth mentioning that complicated and number-heavy situations like this present SO MANY ways to manipulate our perception.
(I have not personally checked all the footage on this one, but it is a simple example) https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
Enamel pins of all kind are about to get stupid expensive because enamel pins CANT be made in America. The machine to make them is illegal here because they’re too similar to what we use to make our currency. Even if an enamel pin company says “made in America” they’re only a middleman.
Right! When you break down the supply chain to make anything you find very few things that are 100% made in the same country. With how we’ve adapted to globalization it’s ludicrous to think we can revert this in a few days or weeks. It would take DECADES.
It's not illegal, it's just prohibitively expensive. I remember when this rumor first showed up, and comments from a couple of startup owners who quickly abandoned making pins here, not because of illegality, but because of cost.
This is one of those things where finding a source online that is
A) not just Reddit,
B) Stats from America and not the UK,
And C) not just the “made in USA” enamel pin companies lying to us,
is fairly difficult. Most sites refer back to this one that I screenshot a bit ago.
Apparently companies that claim that they’re made in the USA (like the company WizardPins) are still just middlemen to other Chinese manufacturers. Another thing I saw was that “Made in USA” companies will usually only make pins they already have the pin shape for and then they customize it by paint
The unpredictability and inconsistency of them is making the US an unreliable trading partner and less desirable to do business in or with. This could in turn cause US stocks to contract even if companies are doing well.
You literally saw that it was about making shit ton of money through illegal means, yet you say it was to sow chaos. There were reasons, you just couldn’t see them.
No - I saw them use the chaos they caused to their advantage- that's just dumb luck. Trump really thought the rest of the world would react to him the way our pussy congress does.
Why invest in building a factory that'll take 4+ years to plan, build, hire, and implement just so that you can restore and avoid tariffs when in 4 years the guy responsible might be gone and the tariffs might not exist anymore?
Bingo! DJT is a classic narcissist. He lacks empathy/compassion. His actions are _never_ motivated by a want to help the greater good, as an elected official should.
The fact that companies have to pay the tariffs at customs before the product is ever sold. These upfront costs might mean companies might need to take higher loans, which means higher interest and payments, if they can afford to do this at all. The tariffs could price small companies out entirely.
Authorities having to keep track of all this and properly apply the tariffs. "Okay, so here's a product from China, manufactured by this company, packaged from this company in this country, falling under this product category but attached to this trade deal, and Trump changed everything again..."
I don't want tariffs because I'm a sane person, but a little bit of me does want to be a pirate and tariffs could make that a more viable option in this economy.
I think the lead up to the 90 day pause is important.
The only reason Trump backed off is because as a real estate person, he understood how bad it was that the 10-year bonds were spiking, especially when LOWERING the 10-year rate was an explicit goal of the trade policy.
The largest AI sex doll making plant (factory, facility, idfk) is in china. And I’m sure the parts and what not for American makers come from china. Incels will have to jack off manually or go broke 🤷🏼♀️
I feel like our world is more global now than when Smoot- Hawley embiggened the Great Depression. I fear the Orange - Felon tariff act is going to be bad for my Laoganma addiction.
The first way you probably already identified is they are insane cause THEY DID NOT NEED TO HAPPEN, NOBODY NEEDED THAT, THERE WAS ALREADY SO MUCH TO DEAL WITH IN THE WORLD, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!
I just can't get over the number of people who think the tariffs are some bill that Trump is sending directly to China. I question whether even Trump knows what a tariff is.
He's on the fetal alcohol syndrome disorder spectrum. Classic psychological and physical symptoms. He's never been fully conscious. It's estimated that 60% of prison inmates are on the FASD spectrum.
The chain-jerk on tariffs has nothing to do with anything concerning benefits to US citizens. It's all about all the buddies making some money to secure their control.
The fact that we need a live tracker to keep up with the list of countries’ imports they apply to, the % rate, and what goods (if even specified). And that half the administration can’t seem to keep up either.
The fact that for us Europeans it's been quite a way of stresstesting our own leaders capacity to actually do things quite quickly — but they still took *ages* to enact any actual response and… it was a good thing in the end, as it's now paused?
EU saved time and conflicts by its own slowness, yay 🥳
That was actually brilliant, imo. I immediately assumed (as an American) that it was b/c they fully understand the unpredictability & instabilty of the source causing the chaos. Rightly so.
well, in a way you're right: most of the time, the perceived "slowness" of EU's institutions is just that they take the time it should take to craft a good decision! (+ some bureaucracy, because coordinating 27 "full-stack" countries — not mere states — has a price… but it still works! slowly!)
That the average income in the USA is around 20x more than countries like Vietnam. Plus we have a lot more people than many of these countries. How can they buy as much as we do?
My head keeps going to supply lines. If these tarrifs are supposed to prop up domestic manufacturing where do the supplies needed to start that come from.
How will the tariffs impact the right to repair the already foreignsourced electronics we forge our social and poltical connections with? And what happens when they've managed to fully co-opt TikTok Nation and federalize PodCast Nation, as they throttle the means of production?
Tarrifs do not lower price of goods even long term, they attempt to set a price floor that Americans can provide a good at and make a profit. When the tarrifs go away the American providers just make way higher profits because consumers are used to that price.
Oh but foreign goods can come in and force prices lower! If this is possible then you just cost Americans a bunch of money for nothing and the American good will slowly fade out as American workers will be more expensive than basically anywhere else.
Tarrifs work when say Kenya is being inundated with free clothing from american charities and destroying the local textile market and its ability to produce and sell on local and global market.
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Canadian tariffs still on -car parts from USMCA, lumber, potash, energy, steel, aluminum. Coming soon - pharmaceuticals, higher lumber, copper. China has put tariffs on Canada too.
My son is a manufacturing engineer for a company that designs & builds things IN THE US, but a machine they might buy to bring more of the process in house is about to get more expensive because it is made in Italy. If the point is to do more manufacturing in the US, making it harder/$$$ is silly.
Trump thinks the economic policies of McKinley, a president who's only remembered for being shot, allowing Roosevelt who is much better regarded to become president, were admirable? A man who died because the doctors weren't gonna wash their hands, and didn't trust them newfangled electric lights?
Even if we move manufacturing to the more-expensive American workforce, tariffs will still affect the cost of materials, which we largely cannot move over here
I'd love to see ways to financially insulate from the nearly 330 billion dollar cash grab billionaires made from this, and how we as a collective can make our own waves.
It's not an incentive to increase manufacturing here in the US, when everything is expensive and nobody has any money. Are we really expecting the oligarchs to open plants, when they just take their money in untaxable unrealized gains like stocks? The system is broken.
I suspect that "it's not that everything is expensive", but that multinationals want to manufacture cheaply and sell expensively, especially if a workforce supports the purchasing process by continuing to buy, heavily, promoted items.
Sorry, when I say expensive I don't mean on a consumer level. Tooling is beyond expensive. IE, a single TSMC die fab unit can cost an entire states GDP for a year.
It's just a "trash and cash" market manipulation scheme. He crashes the market, his family and minions buy low, then he "pauses" the tariffs and markets go up. Will continue to do it as long as it makes him money. This is what happens when one person can manipulate the whole market.
* Trump's belief that tariffs are paid by the exporter not the importer
* Using tariffs as a replacement for income tax
* Circumventing Congress for purse power
* Congress changing the 15 day rule for disapproval measures regarding emergency powers
* Fake stories affecting stocks w/o vetting
* Stock markets acting like a 100% tariff to China wouldn't lead to a Great Depression level economic collapse on its own
* Belief that equivalent US manufacturing has the same job demand or interest with low pay/poor workers rights
* Eroding the domestic economy through strict immigration
The thing I haven't seen mentioned enough: there are a LOT of people in the US.
The idea that, say, Indonesia is ripping off the US because they don't buy as much stuff is stupid because they could never buy as much stuff because there are, quite simply, LESS OF THEM.
Even ignoring everything else, ignoring comparisons of tariff rates or the simple fact that buying stuff isn't getting ripped off because you get... stuff...
More people eat more food and wear more clothes! Why would they buy ten times more stuff than they need??
And the average Indonesian's purchasing power per capita is about 20% of what the average American has, so far less ability to purchase products, let alone the types of products America makes.
100%. The relative wealth of the countries, the values of their respective currencies, the consumer culture of the US, all of this makes the argument even more ridiculous.
But just on the most basic, stupid level I just want to scream, "MORE PEOPLE NEED MORE THINGS" Like it's so obvious.
I'm a nurse. Has anyone researched how tariffs will affect the cost of healthcare? Premiums will certainly go up. Couple that with the P25 idiots wanting to end Medicare/Medicaid! Hospitals shuttering across the country ad healthcare becomes a luxury only the 1% can afford.
Market manipulation, misleading discussion of the process of tariffs, what tariffs are, tariffs on free trade partners, rejecting the 0 for 0 deal, putting tariffs on penguins, unrealistic tariffs on a major exporter of goods (china), constantly kicking the tariffs down the road, etc.
It's "why do you make me hit you" abuser logic and honestly it is fucking triggering in the *weirdest way* for abuse survivors. (This also happened to me watching the Kavenaugh hearings and aftermath, like, just the weirdest feeling of low level panic and ick during the entire time.)
The trade war with China may escalate to a full trade embargo, which will cause a US shoe crisis. You may need to start selling much more durable socks that can be worn without shoes...
Both short- & longterm feelings of betrayal from all sides. The effect of not being able to trust someone on one thing affecting trust on all things where the are concerned.
Basic incoherent nonsense about tax aspects of it:
- promising to replace income tax with tariffs (numbers are wildly far apart)
- US can’t want to use tariffs as primary revenue and also want to drastically reduce trade surplus (pigovian taxes cannot rationally be long-term revenue generators)
I think you need to graph the escalation of tariffs between Trump and China and figure out if there's an asymptote, and if so, what is its value. My money is on 783%.
The 10% tariff on countries we have a trade *surplus* with. Even if someone ever believed that a tariff could fix a trade deficit (or indeed that a deficit needs fixing), why are we applying that to trade surpluses??
Surely, you are covering this, but just in case: The likeliness that this was all about insider trading and allowing a handful of people to get richer.
When this shit happens communities turn on public sector workers-teachers, firefighters, etc…basically anyone w a pension. It happened in 2008 and changed the face of public education for the worse.
How about that these maga types always sneer at science and education but then put out a bogus math equation that has fancy looking symbols to make it look like they are highly educated and to justify their idiotic blanket tariffs.
Insider dealing
Russian asset/puppet
Insane
Drug addict
Dementia
Dumb as feck
Man child
Parent issues
Coward
Mysoginist
Bully
Egotist
Mad as a box of frogs
Masochist
I mean, yes in the sense that it was a solvable math problem... No in the sense that it didn't determine what was claimed, and it had some superfluous things included in the equation to make it look better/different, but those pieces canceled each other out and meant literally nothing.
That it's not a tarrif, clear insider trading, that it's pushing everyone else closer together further isolating the US, the emperor is not wearing anything is clear, individuals are switching away from American products & travel, billionaires are finally getting some of the attention they deserve
the never ending lists of new trade deals being made by the other ~8ish billion folks in other countries besides usa 🇺🇸 (340ish million folks) compiled into one excel sheet with links 🔗 to references & sources & citations would be nice. 😊
to hopefully crack the veil of folks lost in propaganda. ❤️🔥💞💝
Two things: First, certain markets are almost entirely dependent on overseas manufacturing and have relatively little room to increase prices; the tariffs have a good chance of fully killing the boardgame market, for example.
Second, small, independent creatives are incredibly vulnerable here, and while their creations may seem frivolous to some, these are their incomes and lives on the line. See this series of despairing posts by @gaybreakfast.bsky.social: https://bsky.app/profile/gaybreakfast.bsky.social/post/3lmebhtlcbu2s
I hope nobody really liked enamel pins, because now no small artists can afford to make enamel pins. Shipping prices already doubled in the past year BEFORE the tariffs. 😰
Probably won't help your list...but do you get the feeling we are viewed by Elon, his and qanon incel gamer Bros are in one big sid Meier's game? Or Totalwar? Just feels like they're working towards "winning" without recognizing that actual real time moves beyond the win. Feels eerie and gross.
My concern is that as prices increase because of tariffs and then supply becomes more limited, we’ll see a spike in crime, especially if unemployment goes up.
The requests by Big Pharma to tRump to use tariffs to strong-arm #Canada into raising our drug prices to be more in line with what USAians pay. FUCK THAT. 🍁
They are arguing that our pricing model violates #CUSMA (you know, the free trade agreement the USA ignores whenever they feel like). The US has used it to attack dairy, softwood lumber, Canada Post, and other Canadian institutions, industries, and policies.
I could potentially be affected on a personal level by a pending order I placed for a semi-expensive durable medical device, not knowing it would be coming from China. DM me if you're interested in details. It's going to trash my budget.
trump claims that the world won't stop selling to the "best buyers in the world". But the world will do that if the US continues to be unstable. And retaliatory tarrifs will do the rest
Calm down! We will stick flowers in their gun barrels! Who really thinks this will work? i love peace. We (the USA) are being attacked by a domestic enemy. Where i live, i don't see the city, county or state police (or the national guard) as my enemy. i wish the repuplicans had some grit.
Second suggestion. We need to keep our powder dry. Watch out for each other! If you are healthy enough, and are unarmed, consider becoming armed. Since we out number them 2:1, and many of those non-voters are already armed, maybe it is time to get some force. Lock it away, for now.
The bottom line is that tRump doesn't want any income tax. When you make taxes all on what you buy ... and disregard income, you further distance the Riche from the majority of Americans in economic terms. The wealthy ones may spend a little more. The other 300 million of us will be drowned.
Coffee. My husband works at a roasterie here in the US but guess where all beans come from? This is a small roasterie - less than 100 employees. Not only are the beans imported from other countries but a ton of their customers are overseas.
China trolling US with videos of Americans sewing bras, making phones etc and making me laugh and upvote them! Not on my bingo card, but heh the world is upside down now.
You've probably already noticed, but this has been a roundabout way of implementing a long-time Republican goal of cutting or eliminating income tax and replacing it with a massive federal sales tax, essentially taxing the poor to give breaks to the rich.
I work in supply chain for a US company. We are so screwed. All of our business forecast for the next three years just got scrapped and so did all of the stores we sell to.
I can't imagine the stress you're under. It's driving me crazy that no one is banging the drum about the supply chain. It's impossible to plan in this environment and that's extremely bad for business.
- based on trade deficit not actual tariffs from other countries
- penguins
- truth social posts point to blatant intentional market manipulation??
- increases cost of us made goods too because of materials
The weirdest thing to me so far is that someone made a claim on “X” that there was going to be a 90-pause on the tariffs (excluding China), the Trump administration said that it’s not true, and then that’s exactly what happened.
The market hates instability. This means the 90 day pause is actually a bad thing because there's the ever looming threat that Trump brings the other tariffs back at any second. If I ran a big business, I'd be hesitant at best to invest in America due to uncertainty in the supply chain.
“Do not retaliate” struck me much the same as “Do not scream. Do not resist and what’s about to happen will be less punishing than it might otherwise.” It is a pathological approach to trade relationships.
Yeah the second after I sent this I'm like "maybe it's more a freeze response" but either way they are certainly trying to abuse the resistance out of people.
Did you add that China is now making fun of T’s tariff against it? They are the ones to call his bluff because they are happy to pick up the pieces of the world that we are breaking.
But never framed in historical facts. For a start, although US Govts may have had some responsibility, multinational corporations have been the main drivers of off shoring production. No doubt most of the wealth consolidated somewhere in US bank accounts. Not to hark back to 19th century expeditions
What I’m asking myself,
Larry Fink, Peter Theil, Stephen Schwarzman, Douglas Leone, Bill Ackman, Jamie Dimon etc. all these people knew the agenda,
what are they getting out of it? We know they are getting something out of it and whatever it is, it isn’t for the good of the peasants. 😂
A question more than a suggestion - How much of this is deliberate, and how much is doubling down because he can't admit an error? Was "bribe me to get a loophole" always the plan, or did it BECOME the plan after he found out what tariffs were instead of dropping them from policy?
The drug my Stepdad takes for his CLL is Imbruvica, with medicare part D treatment currently runs about $9300 per month, before tariffs, and crucial ingredients in its supply chain originate in China. How many leukemia patients will a 145% tariff rate on china end up killing?
This. The raw chemicals that make our world run from pharmaceuticals to soaps to waste treatment are in a large part all created overseas, much in China.
You need a graphic to show how all the 401ks have done and how much of their value now belongs to multimillionaires and billionaires.
Like maybe ants marching with little dollar signs from many little piles to two or three big piles.
I see very few people mentioning the fact that when Trump was in office the first time he had to create new subsidies to bail out farmers because of the damage is tariffs did to them. We the tax payers get double shafted by paying more for things and bearing the burden of those bail outs.
It will encourage 1) Arbitrage between countries to easily avoid the tariffs (China to Thailand to US), 2) Smuggling by organized crime, 3) Cross border shopping (Buy your car, laptop or iphone in Toronto (Pay $, download the cloud backup and dump packaging while you're there before coming home).
1) Customs will enforce "original point of origin" and it is not at all easy to avoid tariffs via this mechanism. Transshipment adds additional costs and time.
2) Might be a thing but even organized crime isn't *that* organized to scale up to this level of trade.
Stocks and bonds BOTH going down is majorly bad for America! It means the world is losing confidence in the dollar!
We are on the brink of depression if we don’t dump 47!!!!
Yes
Don't waste your time over thinking tariffs. It's possible they are designed to make no sense, so you waste your time
Write about untenable tax cuts
and why we haven't seen the Epstein list
Companies have spend the last 5 years mitigating Trumps original tariff on China. They have spend 100s of thousands, maybe millions for tooling in alternate countries to skirt around that tariff. These new tariffs just wasted all the US company capital.
Trump can reduce the trade deficit by reducing the fiscal deficit. The most obvious way to do this is simply to let his tax cuts expire. Instead, he’s doubled down on a massive, regressive tax increase in the form of these tariffs.
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Traditional dish of Nottingham
This was all about a way to grift on a global scale
Take care of yourself.
This is simply Trump/Navarro deeply misunderstanding trade balances. Navarro is truly, deeply stupid, and Trump was listening to him.
https://bsky.app/profile/joocifer.bsky.social/post/3lmafqbsol22l
credit to @mementomorty.bsky.social
https://bsky.app/profile/mementomorty.bsky.social/post/3lmfmrsnips2z
Tu Tarifes
Ella tarife
Ellos tarifen
Nosotros tarifemos
Estoy tarifiendo
Tarife!
This is basically a scenario where The Rich can bribe him for lower tariffs and a leg up on their competitors.
2) Smuggling of generic drugs to meet demand, its effects on health.
3) Do drug companies in US have production capacities to meet supply.
4) Who benefits from this measure.
5) How many generic drugs are produced in 🇺🇸
You're preaching to the choir.
Those who like logic, prepare lists already know its very bad
And those who follow MAGA care not for any lists. Let alone from someone half decent and able to write a coherent sentence.
Au contraire, you need to find another way to get to the second lot.
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/ft900.pdf
What I find striking is that imports are highest (all areas) during Jan/feb this year. Ie, since trump.
Pick your best 3
So that people can respond to the best that you've got
I'll start, TARRIFS ARE JUST ANOTHER TAX
How would liberals feed themselves without taxes
And this is likely not the only industry in this situation.
This cannot be how we let our country die.
If you’re trying to position yourself against China militarily, that seems like the last thing you’d do.
https://bsky.app/profile/sidhar.bsky.social/post/3lmhixzfbxk2o
https://bsky.app/profile/propublica.org/post/3lmho6iaiqp2f
But also, rationally, if tariffs replace i come tax and succeed in domesticating production... there is less imports to tax so less federal income
https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/stop-looking-for-methods-in-the-madness?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=277517&post_id=160404589&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=56a67q&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Here’s the story: Trumpers are claiming that tariffs
1. Won’t increase prices, because foreign producers will absorb the cost
2. Will cause a large shift in U.S. demand away from imports to domestic production
3. Will raise huge amounts of revenue
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The casual threats to our freedom, and as a trans woman, occasionally our personhood are the things that have been upsetting to me and mine. That the idea of "annexation" is just a thing I see bandied about online can honestly feel dehumanizing.
Tariffs on our neighbors is an idiotic and shitty thing to do, and I think ya'll should probably be angry about that too but it seems less than the sovereignty issue.
This time? EVERY store is promoting buying Canadian. Because it is that big here.
We are friends, neighbors with a lot of joint history and connection. Our national interests by and large overlap. Why is he threatening our friends?
I know many of them aren't meaning to cause harm, but by downplaying the reality of this very real threat, they're providing the exact smokescreen the admin needs to move forward on it.
I grew up with a family *exactly* like this administration's head. I've been trying to warn people for years.
They will double down on what they are told to the point of self-harm rather than admit they were wrong.
It's so dumb.
I'm not a huge fan of the Canadian government, but it's at least moderately better than here.
The mood is that the US is one-third people who actively want and cheer for this, one-third people who simply don’t give a shit to care, and one-third people who care but also aren’t stopping it (I’m aware that last point is broadly unfair, but that’s the optics)
https://bsky.app/profile/today.yougov.com/post/3lmavskxsfs2b
Now, regardless that a majority of Britons believes Brexit was a mistake, and that many Brits are OK the UK as a whole is not a credible European partner anymore.
We don’t care about the tool being used to push annexation; we care about the goal being annexation/control over our independent, democratic country.
What I'm angry about is the threats to our sovereignty, and about Americans treating it like a joke - or worse, thinking we might even *want* to join the US.
(Canadian living in the US wondering when he’ll get disappeared for reskeeting the Onion)
(I have not personally checked all the footage on this one, but it is a simple example)
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmhsvvwfcr2w
It’s not like that would be the first time that American stuff wasn’t actually made in America.
Check this study on the “make America great again” hats by PBS
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/are-trumps-made-in-usa-hats-really-made-in-usa
A) not just Reddit,
B) Stats from America and not the UK,
And C) not just the “made in USA” enamel pin companies lying to us,
is fairly difficult. Most sites refer back to this one that I screenshot a bit ago.
The only reason Trump backed off is because as a real estate person, he understood how bad it was that the 10-year bonds were spiking, especially when LOWERING the 10-year rate was an explicit goal of the trade policy.
I read, but don't know if it's true, that if you cannot pay the tax the items are just trashed?
The mistake is in thinking that he cares about the collateral damage involved. People keep falling back into thinking he's a rational actor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory
There was someone on here who even said barter (given the balance-of-payments complaint)
EU saved time and conflicts by its own slowness, yay 🥳
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bulwark-podcast/id1447684472?i=1000703195733
https://open.substack.com/pub/snyder/p/trumps-psychological-vulnerability?r=zepz&utm_medium=ios
Because I expect all of them are tariffed.
Does Drive-By Torching.
Part Of House Burns.
Arsonist Returns And Throws Water On Rest Of House; Takes Credit For Putting Out Fire.
Unsuspecting Occupants Praise Arsonist.
Celebrants Ignore Embers From Original Drive-By Fire.
House Reignites and Continues To Burn.
Apparently it's very hard to do both
Dont fully get it
What we have: ignorance, nepotism, and teachers who are clowns and babysitters for entitled brats.
Also, why did Congress give tariff powers to the president anyway?
* Using tariffs as a replacement for income tax
* Circumventing Congress for purse power
* Congress changing the 15 day rule for disapproval measures regarding emergency powers
* Fake stories affecting stocks w/o vetting
* Belief that equivalent US manufacturing has the same job demand or interest with low pay/poor workers rights
* Eroding the domestic economy through strict immigration
The idea that, say, Indonesia is ripping off the US because they don't buy as much stuff is stupid because they could never buy as much stuff because there are, quite simply, LESS OF THEM.
More people eat more food and wear more clothes! Why would they buy ten times more stuff than they need??
But just on the most basic, stupid level I just want to scream, "MORE PEOPLE NEED MORE THINGS" Like it's so obvious.
The misunderstanding of tariffs ("They'll pay for it") to it now being a tool to bully, meaning, yeah, a full understanding of tariffs.
The blatant hypocrisy from the GOP that boils down to, "we support whatever you do, Trump"
- promising to replace income tax with tariffs (numbers are wildly far apart)
- US can’t want to use tariffs as primary revenue and also want to drastically reduce trade surplus (pigovian taxes cannot rationally be long-term revenue generators)
https://bsky.app/profile/randalljstephens.bsky.social/post/3lmhjw576fc2k
Insider dealing
Russian asset/puppet
Insane
Drug addict
Dementia
Dumb as feck
Man child
Parent issues
Coward
Mysoginist
Bully
Egotist
Mad as a box of frogs
Masochist
Combination of all of the above.
Last thing on the list? IT'S A TAX!
Then put IT'S A TAX! in the middle somewhere. Along with all the other serious and silly stuff.
It was just applied in a seriously horsesh!t way.
Which will go unpunished.
to hopefully crack the veil of folks lost in propaganda. ❤️🔥💞💝
On the first day...the first half-day!...of the tariffs, when nobody in their right mind is buying the "bottom."
Suspicious af.
- penguins
- truth social posts point to blatant intentional market manipulation??
- increases cost of us made goods too because of materials
https://www.crisesnotes.com/our2025lehmanbrothers/
1. The tarrifs are illegal
2. As Chris Murphy explains, it's extortion/part of his grift and work to destroy the rule of law and democracy:
https://bsky.app/profile/chrismurphyct.bsky.social/post/3lmf2ww42ic27
This is the correct one:
https://bsky.app/profile/chrismurphyct.bsky.social/post/3lluxkmx7wc2m
LLMs can't tell if they are ingesting content from an expert in the field or a 14 y/o troll.
And the content they ingest is without permission or compensation when it is used for profit.
And what about the businesses that were planning on taking the tariffs into account?
I'll bet an increasingly depreciating dollar that something will radically change within an hour of you uploading.
They are using abuser rhetoric. Trying to elicit a fawn response.
They may kiss the ring if it's advantageous, but they're not quaking in their offices hoping to make Trump like them, as he and MAGA probably imagine.
MAGA cult members here really do respond to that language, though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_bonding
https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20250402-trump-announces-sweeping-global-tariffs-risking-trade-war-and-inflation-economy-trade-european-union-china-us
https://newrepublic.com/post/193523/donald-trump-tariffs-us-military-base
Larry Fink, Peter Theil, Stephen Schwarzman, Douglas Leone, Bill Ackman, Jamie Dimon etc. all these people knew the agenda,
what are they getting out of it? We know they are getting something out of it and whatever it is, it isn’t for the good of the peasants. 😂
at the expense of making POOR PEOPLE SUFFER
typical TRAITOR tRUmp actions
Like maybe ants marching with little dollar signs from many little piles to two or three big piles.
2) Might be a thing but even organized crime isn't *that* organized to scale up to this level of trade.
3) Customs enforcement again..
There’s about 125-130m iPhones sold in the US each yeah.
Even meeting 10% of that demand is 12m iPhones.
33,000 a day.
We are on the brink of depression if we don’t dump 47!!!!
https://open.substack.com/pub/deanblundell/p/carneys-checkmate-how-canadas-quiet?r=58o6wb&utm_medium=ios
As a Canadian whose sovereignty has been threatened by your government , I easily bought wonderful food from 🇬🇷 🇹🇷 🇪🇸 🇦🇺 🇨🇱 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇲🇽 & 🇨🇦 this week
Don't waste your time over thinking tariffs. It's possible they are designed to make no sense, so you waste your time
Write about untenable tax cuts
and why we haven't seen the Epstein list
https://bsky.app/profile/carolinejmolloy.bsky.social/post/3lmjjaonmbs2z
Guess who gets hurt. US workers/cust