so the thing about this is that i think the arlington story would have been a one day thing if left to the devices of the political press but vance may have elevated it into an Official Storyline of the campaign with this comment
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and I already don't remember whoever said the person the altercation was with was in the middle of a 'mental episode' or something...these people can't get out of their own way
It was Steven Cheung. If someone is saying some dumb shit thing for the campaign and it isn’t Vance or a Trump family member it will be Cheung slamming his dick in a car door for authoritarianism.
Is he a real person? I don't think I've ever seen a photo of him, or seen him give an interview, but I constantly see his name associated to the dumbest, shittiest comments coming out of the campaign. This isn't a John Barron situation, is it?
He's claiming that the problem people have is the fact that Trump went to Arlington? That seems to just assume that, if Trump goes to a solemn place, obviously he and his campaign are going to engage in a desecration of that place simply by virtue of his attendance.
And that is basically true, Trump lacks the respect for anything at all to behave with any level of reverence. But it is a hell of a thing for his running mate to have just accepted as a necessary part of his character.
You do not have to be particularly smart to finish YLS and you certainly don’t need to be that smart to get in if you have an interesting life story that makes the faculty think you will be successful in some public way.
There were nearly 200 ceremonies of the dignified transfers of remains while very special boy was president.
He attended four of them.
But since his ‘Medal of Honor recipients are wounded or dead’ speech, he’s suddenly learned he can use tombs of our war dead as campaign props.
Fuck that traitor
No, it's because he showed up and then used it as a photo op for the campaign. It's the "photo op for the campaign part that is illegal." The thing is, we all know he would not have shown up if it wasn't for the photo op.
of course the main reason i want trump/vance to lose is because this would be objectively good for the country, but the secondary reason is that i'm curious to see how the republican party eats itself alive and whether vance walks away with a political career
Being Trump's running mate really feels like a death sentence to one's political career (and was nearly an actual death sentence to his first running mate)
I can't see any reality where Trump doesn't put most of the blame on him if he loses. "Of course they stole it from me, but it wouldn't have even been close if it wasn't for lil' JD"
I'm kind of thinking that both Vance and DeSantis, in their similarities, will fail out and lose their positions and influence from the party eating itself. Guess we'll see!
I think Vance’s legacy will end up being “an Oscar-winning director made a movie out of his childhood and it’s widely regarded as that director’s worst movie”
An honest question: How badly would Trump have to lose for the end result to be Republicans jettisoning Trump? He lost by a fair margin last time and within ten minutes of the electoral count verification, Republicans mostly got back in line with him
He's holding together the coalition, which is the only way they can win because it depends on the particular configuration of the Electoral College. If the coalition breaks, it would be as catastrophic as losing Texas for them; they'd have to moderate or go down fighting.
The Trump coalition swapped out a lot of high propensity suburban voters for low propensity exurban and rural voters.
It's not clear how many lost suburban voters return to voting GOP post-Trump, but the formerly low propensity voters almost certainly disappear from the coalition.
The thing is, it's Sophie's Choice; they might lose Texas anyway, and Trump is hollowing out the institutions they rely on to have a functioning national party.
Even if they did manage to install a dictatorship, unpopular dictatorships tend to end in a predictable fashion.
Well, they are either true religious zealots or faux religious zealot politicians or corporate feudalists who believe in nothing but themselves. So, even if It loses by a landslide they will fight it, bc it’s existential for them. Gird your loins.
every time i see some absurd rumor or sound bite or whatever ooze out of JD Vance that dates back to before 2022, i wonder what in the actual fuck the Democrat in that race was doing
i don't remember their name, and frankly, if they couldn't find a way to beat JD Vance when all this stuff about JD Vance was completely knowable and usable in 2022, then they don't deserve to have their name remembered
The answer to the second part is surely no. I just don't see a constituency for him once he has the loser stink of a failed VP campaign behind him. He'll get picked off in a Senate primary and end up as a commenter on NewsMax.
Vance is trying to put this moment on the long list of things that Trump must be absolved from any criticism for. It may hurt politically, but if it works, well..
I keep waiting for them to eat themselves alive but they just seem to moving their heads further up their intestinal tract. I wonder if they will just make a Klein bottle inside a Klein bottle out of themselves and plow onward.
I don’t think they go that route. Even if Trump/Vance lose, I can’t see them decoupling from the fringe-right. A decade ago they would have been marginalized, but now they run that party. I think the only thing that breaks them is Trump admitting the whole thing was a con and they were marks.
That’s inevitable, but that just deprives them of an orator. They’re conditioned to mistrust, and treat as enemies anyone not with them. That will stay, albeit without their lodestar. I’d imagine they’ll splinter, but without being labeled as marks, they’re a charismatic speaker away from a return.
I think as long as Trump is breathing the intra-party reckoning will be forestalled. He's going to have to either die or become so undeniably incapacitated that no one fears him anymore.
Vance is toast because Trump will be looking for scapegoats, and JD will be a sitting duck.
That said, if he hangs around long enough that might change. Bob Dole had the stench of the failed VP candidate in 1976, and 20 years later he was the nominee. Of course, Vance is no Bob Dole. He also strikes me as too impatient to work his way back for 2044.
Can't wait for Trump/Vance to lose, his attempts to steal fizzle worse than last time, and then the GOP still can't be rid of him and the whole thing repeats in 4 years' time
I don't know why he wouldn't end up discarded in the Senate like his older Gen-X colleagues like Rubio, Cruz, Cotton, just utterly bored people uninterested in actually doing anything.
I think his Senate seat might be in trouble. If Trump loses, Vance is going to be who he blames, and as a relatively new Senator I don't think he has the power base Rubio, Cruz, or Cotton managed to build up over the years.
It’s a shame that this stuff didn’t come out before he actually won the senate seat. On the other hand, OH is a gerrymandered supermajority Republican state and local media has no interest in covering stuff like that.
I would assume Vance's political future in a post-Trump candidacy era is going to be about 70% based on how Peter Thiel feels when he gets up in the morning.
I also want this. I suspect Vance will shuck off the MAGA skin and evolve into some other form of disgusting human. Senate majority leader? Military contractor? Cable news pundit? Radio host? Who knows! But I'd like to find out.
He won his Senate seat recently enough and political memories are short enough that no matter how much he's perceived to torch things, I could see him sticking around a long time. Alternatively, Trump has a good shot at the Presidency and is very old, so this man has decent shot at the Presidency.
if Trump loses there's no way Vance finishes out his Senate term. It's just a question of how soon after the election he resigns. He doesn't particularly care about legislating and Trump, who controls the RNC, will 100% blame Vance for the loss. He'll quit, start a podcast, maybe get divorced.
Vance being unlikeable in such a far-reaching manner seems like it has all the makings of him becoming a political albatross and I am looking forward to seeing him eating it as much as possible
Trump will almost assuredly try to make Vance the fall guy, which will definitely kill his career, it's just a question of whether Trump can do it successfully enough to retain his own political power (which he'll hopefully lose anyway by going to prison)
See this whole episode really pissed me off. Mental Health Episode bullshit. Thank God dipshit Vance is keeping this alive 'cos I was sure the press was just going to drop it. Can you even imagine the press reaction if this was the Harris/Walz campaign?!
Vance regularly seems to have a crass, dismissive reaction to anyone or anything outside of his tiny safety zone. Does he do this in a "keep up with Trümp" way? I don't know, but it's jarring every time. He keeps tripping over his own feet.
I'm OK with that. Carry on JD.
TFG broke the rule. And it's a good rule: don't make Arlington National Cemetary political. That's not what it's for. It's for our honored military dead. Go to honor them or don't go at all.
Somehow Trump found a way to signal his contempt for the military once again. When will veterans see this?
it would have been a one day story only for this particular individual. If, say, a certain other individual had done the exact same thing, it would be THE STORY up until Election Day…
No, they hired the private photographer — that was their excuse for being in that section — and a person working at Arlington wanted to shut it down. They said the worker was the one with the mental health episode
So I just totally misread that second part in the Axios story, but the first part, when Cheung said "a private photographer was permitted" was tricky - I suspected it was not unrelated to the campaign but he left that bit of clarity-adding info out.
I agree completely. That was my first thought as well. He just amped this story way up instead of it going to the closet of shit trump has done that most people don't believe or the press have forgotten.
Trump is not going away even if he gets trounced in November. No matter how big the loss, he’ll claim victory/ stolen election again and will grift off that for years. He’s also going to be involved in headline grabbing legal cases until the day he dies.
Yeah, probably. I'm hoping the numbers are so overwhelmingly beyond doubt that when he cries, whines, and bitches about it everyone tells him "go sit on your golf course and sulk."
it rules that after Trump became the forever counter argument to “rich people are better and deserve respect”, J Divans is doing the same for Ivy Leaguers and troops
jamelle, has there been any good timeline or reporting on this beyond “during the wreath ceremony” but it seems as though photography was later at at least two gravesites with families. when did the incident happen and were the photographs taken?
Safe to assume Trump feels aggrieved he made the appearance and didn’t get to exploit it. Vance is feeding the monster, as always with no sense for how it looks to anyone else
my fiance's Trumpy soldier friends are PISSED at Trump about the Arlington situation actually, it's the first time I've seen them actually get mad at him
He isn't doing Trump any favors by keeping the story in the news, but the media will never point out the massive bad faith with which Vance characterized the criticism, let alone admit that addressing a criticism not made is an admission that Trump's behavior, as usual, is indefensible.
The Arlington story took Trump from pathetic and boring back to outrageous, though, and the center of everyone’s attention.
I hadn’t made the connection until someone pointed out that Corey Lewandowski is back on the campaign, which makes me wonder if keeping people angry is their goal.
He polled well below every other Republican in the election, so a lot of folks voting for Gov, and their House Rep (ie both up *and* down ballot) couldn’t bring themselves to vote for him.
maybe this is because my father is buried in a military cemetery, but this has disturbed and enraged me to a degree I didn't think was still possible with Trump. The thought of some MAGA folks tramping on my father's grave to get next to the Big Guy grinning and giving a thumbs up just leaves me red
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Me, a few minutes later, being thrown out of the store:
Oh, so NOW they get mad at us for going grocery shopping?!
I used to describe it as the sound of the prison doors sliding closed after him, but since you’ve offered this, I’ll take it.
He attended four of them.
But since his ‘Medal of Honor recipients are wounded or dead’ speech, he’s suddenly learned he can use tombs of our war dead as campaign props.
Fuck that traitor
That's rich, because Captain Bonespurs sure as fuck didn't show up in Viet Nam.
seriously, though. anyone who voluntarily hitches their wagon to his gets exactly what they deserve, the fucking dumbasses.
It's not clear how many lost suburban voters return to voting GOP post-Trump, but the formerly low propensity voters almost certainly disappear from the coalition.
Same thing in the end, though; they're on this ride until the ride stops working.
Even if they did manage to install a dictatorship, unpopular dictatorships tend to end in a predictable fashion.
However, I don't think the party has any control over its primaries anymore, and I think he might still be its nominee if he's alive.
It flew in ever-decreasing circles until it flew up its own ass and disappeared.
it'll be a zombie as long as the fash billionaires keep infusing it with money though I assume
How Trump continues to have one now is baffling. He's already cost them 3 elections, and yet they continue marching on.
But, he's got his cult. I imagine that the base will likely ensure that Vance gets the blame if they lose.
Vance is toast because Trump will be looking for scapegoats, and JD will be a sitting duck.
He'll become what Ted Cruz has become.
But has anyone explained to them just how absolutely HUGE it will be for the press to feed the country years and years of schadenfreude?
My personal brand!!!
I'm OK with that. Carry on JD.
Somehow Trump found a way to signal his contempt for the military once again. When will veterans see this?
New headline:
Vance brings Truth to Politics with Foot in Mouth.
So I just totally misread that second part in the Axios story, but the first part, when Cheung said "a private photographer was permitted" was tricky - I suspected it was not unrelated to the campaign but he left that bit of clarity-adding info out.
Thanks for letting me know.
But he's just not a bright man who doesn't like people. This is who he is
I hadn’t made the connection until someone pointed out that Corey Lewandowski is back on the campaign, which makes me wonder if keeping people angry is their goal.
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