America is over. There is no coming back from this.
If we're lucky maybe we claw back some small-l liberalism for our daily lives. But even that might be too much to hope for.
The rest of the world has to move on from us.
They now know that the American people can't be trusted.
They're right.
If we're lucky maybe we claw back some small-l liberalism for our daily lives. But even that might be too much to hope for.
The rest of the world has to move on from us.
They now know that the American people can't be trusted.
They're right.
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Or maybe you could but we won't
Fuck Trump, Fuck Vance, Fuck MAGA. I didn't vote for them and I sure as hell won't let what they're doing last
The "Left" needs to find some damn courage and move on from thus pathetic doomerism that does nothing positive
No.
We're not over because we're not going to give up. I am going to fight for a moral America. A righteous America. Trump's not America. He's never been.
And he just exposed himself as being the Russian stooge that he is.
And morality has never had much to do with US foreign policy to begin with.
Where I come from we have a little more resilience and sticktoitiveness than that, but maybe that's what happens when you've ALWAYS had to keep one eye open 'cuz America is trying to kill you, on a couple of counts.
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Read the responses
It’s all irrational “we ain’t givin’ up” & “stop the doom & gloom” nonsense
Outside the US, we no longer trust you
Period
You govt behaves like your president, a sexual predator
WE REFUSE TO BE LIED TO & VICTIMISED
Get it?
I will die on my feet thanks.
America's standing in the world used to mean something... alas, no more...
Even Germany recovered from Nazism, come on man
Last vote 20% of them.
I guess I should say, even Germany was welcomed back into the international order post-Holocaust
The usa was the leader of the free world. The Germans had less far to fall.
Prussian militarism? Gone. Prussia *itself*? Gone.
Who is going to do that for the US? The only country with enough resources is China. 🤷♂️
No such fix on the horizon for us
Americans are largely disengaged and lazy but one thing that will wake a lot of people up is a deep recession and high unemployment, and by most accounts that's what we're in for
Citizenry too trapped in their algorithmic social media cages to see the truth.
Too desperate because wages are poor.
And now too busy trying to survive as RFK oversees the spread of once eradicated disease.
Germany recovered because a) the west threw money into it, and b) they were on the frontline of the Iron Curtain, so the west couldn’t let it fall.
Today is different. No one will hold out the hand of friendship.
Best get used to it.
The thing is America is broken from the top levels of government through to the lowest levels of society.
You knew that this was what Trump was going to be like in his 2nd term, that his mandate was built on hate, and a lot of your country love that hate.
but no one actually knows what is going to happen around the world now or in the future so in my case, I'm going to choose to keep trying to make it better
It's time to accept the truth, even if we are let back into the Democratic world, our hegemonic era is over
The world is not going to be precisely the same in 30 years.
The first question is whether we save the Republic. Which is going to be really really hard. After that we can see where the international politics lies.
But the point is that 2016-2020 could have been seen as a blip that we're ready to move on from. But this now suggests a Jekyll and Hyde relationship with a superpower switching every 4 to 8 years. This kills any point in ever reaching a treaty with the US for decades.
2nd term? He's going out of his way to tear up that very same agreement, and is now openly talking invasion or incursions in both countries. What is the point in making further agreements?
to say it's "over" and we'll "never recover" is doomer bullshit that I do not abide
No ally will trust us again? What about when these Nazi fucks and their quisling enablers are tried and hanged?
I came in here all ready to agree w/JVL, but I *do* trust Norway a lot, that's just inarguable.
I get mad as hell and decide I'm going to fight them until my hands bleed
No thanks.
I'm a recent listener only.
I find myself agreeing with Bill Kristol though, so we are clearly in the upsidedown.
My 2004 self is on the floor weeping and screaming.
Our image of ourselves is irreparably damaged. Maybe we'll return one day, but for now, the world is a very different place. Reality bites.
And to think, everything you worked for your entire life as a conservative shill led to this.
Congrats.
America wouldn’t have taken their eye off of Russia or become globally ostracised after the Invasion of Iraq
Probably, 11 September 2001 would’ve been just another sunny Tuesday
I don't care much for hockey (sorry...but I don't care for football, baseball, or basketball either) but I ❤️ Canada.🇨🇦
I LOVE your national anthem...much, much, MUCH easier to sing.😉
Because people like you are useful only to our enemies.
Big steps need to be taken, but that is different from "it's hopeless"
Republicans had a longterm plan that took 40-50 years. In my lifetime, Democrats have never had a longterm plan.
I agree the world needs to move on without MAGA and therefore the US until MAGA is gone (no idea when)
MAGA - yes;
Republicans (those that are left) - maybe.
Do we not now believe that Trump and Russia are connected? Europe knows it. We keep playing pretend while Trump breaks our treaties.
Please allow me to recommend some reading for you:
"1877: America's Year of Living Violently", Michael A. Bellesiles (New Press, New York, 2010)
Thank you for the ride together. Especially for the last 100 years or so.
Good luck! You will need it.
The free world should not be dictated by the whims of a handful of gullible backwater rubes in two or three swing states.
Europe and SE Asia should move on without the US. Their time is done.
Blue states need to act. It is the civil war in reverse. Separatism and uniting with the world is the only way to defeat the slave states takeover.
Seriously. Get a grip.
All the hope and cope in the world will not change reality.
The word 'over' doesn't sit well with me. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
Over sounds like done. You don't seem done fighting, at all. I'm not done. Jasmine Crockett doesn't sound done.
I just don't like when people - especially people with heightened power and influence, speak for "America" like it's theirs alone.
America can continue on in the form of the three new nations. Then the Republican one can be what they want. We'll stay America.
(It's not the end of the USA if the rest of the world loses their faith in this place, btw.)
The US can't be trusted because every 4 years it can decide to break all of its agreements.
Trump's election has exposed this fatal flaw in the American political system, because he did just that.
There is no longer any stability in the US, and alliances require stability.
It doesn't matter if the Dems or the GOP are in office, other countries can't trust that any agreements will be lasting.
You must not have much colonial American in your ancestry.
For us,I think the only way back is through. We the people, the citizens, have to take action collectively, South Korea style. But without the help of the legislature, apparently.
I am just hoping that Europe will step up to the plate and help Ukraine now.
Let’s just say it won’t be our our children or grandchildren. But maybe someday.
We must show that this government is as illegitimate as the Vichy regime was.
A hostile occupation betrayed our allies with the consent of GOP congressional leadership.
We cannot recover if we do not charge them for this treason.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/former-leader-nato-nation-slams-president-trump-blunt-interview-no-longer-ally
My response? “America is over.”
We were right!
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You just want to roll over? Is that what I'm reading here?
Our role as the head of the world order is fucking toast. Even if we turn it around in the next election, there's no guarantee we won't throw it all away again.
We really do need to create a better America free of the yoke of the wealthy
The media has been captured. The voting districts gerrymandered, and the courts stacked.
We're closing in on, or at, box 4, and that will be bad for everyone, both in America and abroad.
We stomped the bones of traitorous confederate rebels into the ground.
We crushed Nazis skulls and freed those they oppressed.
No kings. No tyrants. We fight again, we win again.
There are several hundred million of us who can’t just throw up our hands. We need to raise our kids. We depend on the Social Security we worked our lives to earn.
We have to find a way.
But it just got harder, without trusted allies.
A land that Hitler studied when building his reich, that overthrew democratically elected left wing governments all over the world
But you know what? You’re gonna pay your taxes anyways, you’re gonna go to your job and you’re going to participate - because “there’s no America anymore” is just hyperbole from an internet rando
this is the second time you've elected that fucking man.
What Republicans don't seem to understand is that the unpredictable behavior that may close business deals on a small scale, ruins economies on a large scale.
The US will never have the trust of the developed world again and no country can prosper alone.
Look what it's doing to it's own citizens.
Democracy is no longer an American value.
But that doesn't mean you can't turn it around. You can rise up like the brave people that you are. Shake up the town halls, make protest songs, let your voice be heard. What can they do if a million voices rise up?
Europe has to do its own thing.
China is laughing all the way to the bank and getting ready to take Taiwan. Good luck with that world order, USA.
The only way forward involves blood in the streets: your street and mine.
You have suitcases?
Any cash to withdraw?
Friends in other countries or at least in states where the resistance is strong?
WAKE THE F**K UP & GET MOVING
You don’t need to “keep living” for the US anymore
So DONE with America
this is depressing
We will have to earn trust back over generations.
So yeah, sort your shit out. But you're not going to regain that trust any time soon.
We need to find something new and make it win.
We're not going to wait for you all to figure that part out though. Laters.
It can also be true that the era of Pax-Americana is over, and it's because of the GOP and Trump. Fighting is good and well and should be done, but there is no going back now. Only forward to what may come.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4166378/
The post-WW2 American-created world order? JVL is correct.
He's right. the United States of America has fallen. it is OVER.
What gets built after that is another question.
That doesn't mean it can't come back, but it can't come back without a complete reformation of the American electorate, and that's a timeline of at least a decade plus in the best case scenario.
But when communities come together, we can all survive
Chinese people built Chinatowns throughout America despite being very poor and being relentlessly discriminated against
https://www.history.com/news/american-chinatowns-origins
look at what germany did, and how they are on the world stage today.
don't be such a doomer baby.
His point is valid, at least internationally. A country that will routinely violate treaties is a pariah. All earned US soft power is now gone.
you have a platform, grow up and treat it responsibly.
We will never be forgiven for these betrayals. The lesson to not trust or depend on America will last for generations no matter how much plucky bravado you plaster over it.
He has a black ⚫️ ❤️ .
It is your collective responsibility to fix your fucking shit up and you aren't doing that by whining and dooming like cretin!
America is fucking over.
No one is going to stop Trump.
JD is coming up behind him.
Enjoy the tyrants.
We aren't laying down for anyone.
But WHAT are you pathetic keyboard warriors doing?
How are you standing up to your new dictator?
You should be in the streets... the oligarchs took over your shithole country.
But hey... you flipped off a former ally.
Good for you.
We will never be able to wash this off, nor should we. The rest of the world knows that America cannot be trusted, and we will never be trusted again.
The sooner people realize the constitution is a joke made for suppressing its people with “laws for government” (which no one can enforce) so they sit back and wait for something to happen, that never does, only then will they take it back
I will never trust America again.
I have been ashamed of America a number of times in the past 10 years....but never more than today.☹️😢
I feel your shame.
Hopefully in the future we can be forgiven.
And you left the world in a shit position, too.
2/10 empire, would not recommend
Me waiting on the “Good JVL” take from this:
In this mtg he's unable to contain his aggrieved rage about Hillary & Obama & Hunter Biden & "witch hunt" & "Russia Russia Russia."
Dred Scott number 2 lurks in the bushes. And we know how the Supreme (sic) Court likes to jump.