A plurality of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents — 45% — said they want their party to become more moderate, according to Gallup polling conducted following Trump’s inauguration.
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What the fuck is this BULLSHIT, LYING, DISENGENOUS Framing?!
LESS THAN HALF of Democrats want the party to become 'MORE MODERATE.' True, it's slightly more than wanted that a few years ago, but 45% is not the voice of the party. It's just a faction of the party.
Also 'Democrat-leaning Independents' is a meaningless phrase. It doesn't tell us anything about who they are. Are they former Republicans? Never Trumpers? Leftists who used to vote Dem (2020) but abandoned the party over Gaza?
No. All Democratic politicians are right wing extremists. Sure the GOP is a teeny tiny bit further to the right and slightly more extreme, but that doesn't make them moderate.
What would "more moderate" mean? Less inclined towards committing genocide? Less interested in maintaining the world's largest nuclear arsenal? That sort of thing?
There is no left in America. Bernie Sanders policies of affordable medications, tax paid health care, and affordable education are ALL moderate policies to the rest of the world!
The USA is a for-profit outlier.
That’s a shitty way to phrase that question. First off it assumes that everyone has the same working definition of “liberal”, “staying the same”, or “moderate”. Which in all likelihood they do not.
This is one of those times where you have to ask the questions and intuit the pattern. Because…
…people do not necessarily characterize their views correctly. At least not consistently with the typical conceptualization of them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone would say, “stay the same” and also like Medicare for all. That is not staying the same. This would likely be rampant.
Would love to see this broken down by policy positions. “Become more moderate” could easily mean drop the couple of polarizing positions candidates took in 2020 and not “become more Republican.”
That's because most progressives have switched to Independents as Dems keep disappointing. So a huge bulk of the party are folks who just love the feckless mediocrity. 45% apparently want to be even more spineless and out of touch.
How many people have left the Democratic party since the inauguration? Like, how many people were registered Democrats in November but are no longer registered as Democrats?
1/2: This is the worst kind of garbage "reporting" where "moderate" has a completely fluid definition--define "moderate"--while also insinuating that Dems are ultra-liberal.
Define "liberal"....
No, it's more horse shit propaganda where Dems are smashed for being too "left", but being FASCIST...
Bullshit poll probably asked them something like "Do you prefer the party to lean to the extreme left, the extreme right, or sit comfortably right in the middle?" and they said uh, the normal regular one, what you said
That’s the key part of the headline. How did they define a democrat leaning independent? An RFK jr supporter? A Tulsi Gabbard supporter? People who don’t care we missed our chance to raise the minimum wage a couple years ago because moderate democrats didn’t want to look to progressive? Joe Rogan?
POLL SHOWS THAT IN ORDER FOR AN EFFECTIVE COALITION RESISTENCE TO MAGAt KKKULT FASCISM TO EXIST, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPROMISE WITH EACH OTHER.
People are so politically illiterate that they think the political “center” is a fixed point. And that conservative Democrat Joe Biden handed the reins over to some imaginary Left.
Basically, all mainstream has been infected with rightwing propaganda. Great job, everyone.
A moral panic =/= an actual shift to the left. This just tells me a plurality of Democrats are being fooled by propaganda about what their party has (not actually) been doing
What does this even mean? More moderate in what way? There are lots of policies with strong majority support among Democrats that they may or may not consider to count as being more moderate. Does it mean "less woke"? Cause it feels like it might mean "less woke" and not "don't do a public option."
It means they want to vote for Republican policies while feeling like they're somehow less culpable for the repercussions because their party was friendly about it.
in other words, the minority of 'democrats' want to be right wing, but don't want to drink raw milk or use leeches as medical care. seriously, the democrat party already had people threatening to take away ENOUGH rights, no?
~100M registered Dems, only 438 poll responses. Not hard to see the shoddy statistical work here: Too small a sample to be indicative of a trend; too much opportunity for sampling bias.
even if this sample was "truly random" it still only demonstrates that a minority of Dems want a "more moderate" democratic party. this is the laziest consent manufacturing I've seen in a while.
No, it isn't, its still too small to draw any useful conclusions for a group as large as "all democratic voters" and they also included people who aren't democratic voters in the 'democratic voters' set.
Truly random means exactly what it sounds like, you take the entire population of potential respondents and then pick them out at random, this is like... High school statistics?
Truly random doesn't mean you pick people off the street, it means if you have a sample population of 100 million registered Democrats, you pick however many names off that list as needed to get whatever statistically relevant sample as needed...
It's very easy to calculate this, again, if you are sampling 100 million people and you want a survey that has a 5% margin of error, it's extremely easy to figure out how make random respondents you would need. Again, very basic statistics math here
Yeah but you can also see the margin for error is off, so I would assume they are doing some background modeling to try and reduce the known issues with random phone dialing
What part of random don't you understand? You put your 100 million names in a hat, shake it up, and start picking them out until you get the desired sample size. How large that sample is depends on how much statistical error you are comfortable with, again, all of this is easy math
This is such bullshit. The problem with dems is that they let republicans define them. The broader dem party is plenty centrist. Republicans’ most powerful weapon is controlling the narrative by taking some fringe idea or making up a ridiculous story and stapling it to dems. Time to take it back!
FUCK YOUR OLIGARCH POLLS, ASK THEM IF THEY WANT HEALTHCARE. ASK THEM IF THEY WANT LOWER RENT AND HOUSING FOR ALL. LETS SEE THE ANSWERS, MODERATE MY BALLS.
this article is garbage propaganda tbh. The way its framed, the data used, the insinuation that democrats aren’t already touting the most milquetoast moderate ideology in all of world politics…
i can imagine the writers must loathe their day to day of writing this slop.
This is highly misleading if you read the poll. An outright majority want the party to be more liberal or stay the same. I’m also curious as how they defined Dem or Republican “leaning”
So the majority don't and we are going to count what independents claim they want in a poll that didn't control for HOW they actually voted so we can make it sound like people want more of the slop that created fascism. Sounds about white
Maybe the implication is that they’re too far right and need to move back toward the center—to the left. That would actually adhere to reality at least.
Whichever Semafor unpaid intern pulled this out of their ass; everyone around you who can do math would no longer trust you to boil an egg, ya fuckin plum.
Just be republicans if you want to be republicans. There's this weird habit of Americans to want to not be seen as the bad guy while also agreeing with/supporting the bad guy or being the bad guy themselves. It's cringe to be rep so they have to remake the entire democratic party for their comfort.
There's no way to measure how many left-leaning left the party because of this continuous slide to the right since 2016. The right wing keeps going crazier to the right, and the Democrats keep sliding "more center" to the previous right-wing position. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Putting aside the bizarre inverted framing, the real cross-tab you’d want on this is how many of these people believe objectively nonsense propaganda about the party.
Just the dumbest party imaginable, if you believe this. The reality is they have already been moderate to right leaning. They're job is to help facilitate the two party system, not to form any sort of opposition to the other party. As long as capitalism wins, they're happy.
Now do individual policies and odds are you get a lean to more “liberal” policies. Using broad, subjective terms like “liberal” and “moderate” renders these polls useless, but gives Dems cover for doing nothing.
A problem is that the term "moderate" is totally subjective. I want a more moderate Democratic party because I think it is too conservative. I would never say I want a more "liberal" Democratic Party because that means more Pelosi neoliberalism. These terms are meaningless in a 2025 telephone poll.
The poll doesn't ask if people want a more progressive Democratic Party. Just do they want more of the same (yuck) or more liberalism (yuck) or to be a more moderate Party, which between those shit choices sounds like the best option. The whole poll is garbage anyway, in my opinion.
A polling size of less than 500 people. If "being more moderate" (being more right-leaning, let's be honest) is what the Democrats want, then let them just go all the way and join the Infant King.
I agree democrats should stop pandering to the extreme right. The moderate position is to actually give a shit about trans people and protecting immigrants from nazi freaks.
There is only one Jewish majority state on the planet and half of the world's remaining Jews living there, most are refugee who had nowhere else to go.
Antizionism is causing an explosion in antisemitism.
Agreed - Dems ran an awful campaign. That said, to pretend like there is a huge reservoir of people on the Left who stayed home with Trump on the ballot beggars belief.
Based on what exactly? Trump only picked up about 4% more votes from 2020-24 while Kamala lost nearly 8% of the votes Joe Biden got, seems like moderating cost them a ton of votes
Even if you believe that there aren't huge chunks of the electorate to win over (and, also you don't need to win them all over, just enough) if your party platform is Republican Lite, a lot of people are just got to vote GOP then
The main issue in ‘24 was erosion of the base, not turnout, which was still incredibly high by historical standards. Conservative/Moderate Black and Hispanic men, who had previously voted Dem their entire lives due to social pressure and group solidarity, abandoned the party in droves.
1. Don’t chase people out of the party. You need their votes
2. Organize public opposition to administration policies.
3. Do a post-mortem to identify the weaknesses of the 2024 campaign.
4. Use the statehouses and courts to slow or block their policies.
5. Congress - do everything but debt default
The only people who have consistently been chased out of the party are folks who believe in universal healthcare.
The current framework of the Dem party is broken, and after spending 3 months campaigning with the Cheneys, and defending private insurance, you think we need to listen to the center?
the strategy they're talking about is literally what gave Trump the election this time around. they failed to energise the base because of constant concessions
You wouldn’t know genocide if it slapped you in the face. What is happening is the natural consequence of massacring civilians while breaking a ceasefire. As for the MIC, I am opposed to it and think that there are literally hundreds of billions ripe to be shaved from the Pentagon’s budget.
I wish. Unfortunately I’m forced to stand on the principle that those who launch pogroms start wars with the objective of annihilating a sovereign state and all of its people should suffer the consequences of their actions. Some people choose to be pro-Hamas. I am not one of them.
Democrats shrunk the tent already. They called me a foreign asset for asking for a cease fire. I will never vote for a party that aids and abets genocide.
I'm curious to know how many people still consider themselves, "Democratic leaning." The Dems moved so far right I stopped even loosely associating myself with them around 2017/2018.
This is nuts. "More liberal" would realistically mean 2008 Obama progressive capitalism. "Stay the same" would mean the current neo-liberal free market capitalist status quo. "More moderate" would mean act even more like pre-Trump Republicans than they already do.
These are all braindead non-options that mean nothing in the context of the question.
Even if we assumed all of the surveyed had an agreed-upon understanding of what "more liberal" and "more moderate" actually meant, that information isn't presented here, so it's impossible to apply broadly.
Does "more liberal" mean "more performative woke shit" or "trust-busting and single-payer healthcare"? Does "more moderate" mean "less performative woke shit" or "even more austerity and selling out our neighbors"? Would those answers change the results of the survey? Who's to say?
Voter participation is under 67%, and that's in a Presidential Election year (w/ high stakes).
I figure between the pollsters, corporate media, pundits, campaign consultants, and the efforts of *both* parties at the state and national level ... they can get that number below 50% by 2028.
That’s still bad framing.
One must realize how right we’ve gone over the last 25 years.
Moderate now is a center right position…not center left like the 90’s…
And it’s all older people…the MAJORITY. Want action.
As I’ve said elsewhere on this thread, this is a poll about labeling, not issues. On many, many issues, the public favors, often by large majorities, positions that are deemed by the right as radical left. Ds should stick with these issues and label and message them as what they are: moderate.
So less than half of expected voters and no new voters want democrats to run as Republicans. Any data on how that won't continue to lead to constant political losses?
The “Democrat leaning Independents” is the part where the spin comes in, imo. Sus. There’s no indication of how they determined party affiliation, but it appears they let respondents self-identify, so looks like none of this is based on actual voting history.
45% means 55% don't, wtf is that headline, that poll is just 438 samples, yougov usually uses at least 1000 samples, that is propaganda op not a honest poll/article
Guess we gotta stick with the 45% of losers want in a small poll. Praise dear leader moderate conservative Chuck Schumer.
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We could choose to have a somewhat better future. Instead, we just have the worst of the worst competition between both parties.
None of these polls about how left/right people want Dems to be matter, because the term moderate means different things to every answerer.
Some think about extremism in terms of rhetoric exclusively, and others thinking of policy have baselines for "the center" all over the political spectrum.
Interesting math. If you include people who don't want any change with the votes for moderation, then 67% of Democrats want the party to become more moderate or stay the same, so a large majority DO NOT want the party to shift left.
I don't know if I would go that far. Just that focusing on hard left issues isn't going to win elections. The last election showed (right or wrong) that more voters saw the Republicans as moderate than saw the Democrats as moderate.
In the end, I think this is a pretty useless poll. There is no mention of specific issues, let alone what more liberal or more moderate would mean on those issues. Also, the use of the term “moderate” instead of “conservative” is incredibly problematic here! These are not the same! Garbage poll.
Sure they can be meaningfully combined. This is a specific question broken into three percentages. A bigger percentage wants no change or moderation than wants to move left. It's not the same as "democrats plus independents" because it's not assuming how people would vote on a question. We know.
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LESS THAN HALF of Democrats want the party to become 'MORE MODERATE.' True, it's slightly more than wanted that a few years ago, but 45% is not the voice of the party. It's just a faction of the party.
This is just nakedly transparent 'these results could mean anything' slanted propaganda which agrees with what the party donor base wants.
Absolutely.
This.
The USA is a for-profit outlier.
This is one of those times where you have to ask the questions and intuit the pattern. Because…
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone would say, “stay the same” and also like Medicare for all. That is not staying the same. This would likely be rampant.
Define "liberal"....
No, it's more horse shit propaganda where Dems are smashed for being too "left", but being FASCIST...
Ever notice how the MSM always pounces on Dems for not being "moderate" enough, but never, ever the former GOP?
Isn't that interesting?
They're the mayo on Wonderbread of political parties.
Potato salad is too spicy for them.
When they make a bowl of cereal they leave the cereal out because the milk is too much to handle.
Oatmeal has more personality.
More moderate? Sheesh. Keep losing, losers.
FIFY
Your click-bait spin is fucking nonsense.
You are a shit-stirring failure.
Basically, all mainstream has been infected with rightwing propaganda. Great job, everyone.
democrat leaning independents can bark my hole
Now that the death march is on, which leftist "democrat" will lead the break and push the new people's agenda party?
Its not working
That in no way guarantees a REPRESENTATIVE sample dumbass
Maybe there's a reason we usually don't have highschoolers running shit. Dumbass
Clown
i can imagine the writers must loathe their day to day of writing this slop.
The whole story is meaningless.
8 years ago we were fighting for universal healthcare and affordable college
This past election Dems were promising border walls, genocide and the most lethal military in the world
The people who want the Democratic Party to be "more moderate"...
I strongly suspect they are people influenced by capitalist media outlets pushing shades of the "more moderate" propaganda.
Liberals may have convinced people winning in politics is impossible.
But...
*swing leftward from their position as the second right wing party
Folks, I remember when EVERY centrist candidate backed out of the primary on the EVE OF SUPER TUESDAY to endorse Biden and stop Bernie.
Make it make fucking sense.
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That’s like a lifetime ago
Just giving up.
Antizionism is causing an explosion in antisemitism.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-842163
2. Organize public opposition to administration policies.
3. Do a post-mortem to identify the weaknesses of the 2024 campaign.
4. Use the statehouses and courts to slow or block their policies.
5. Congress - do everything but debt default
The current framework of the Dem party is broken, and after spending 3 months campaigning with the Cheneys, and defending private insurance, you think we need to listen to the center?
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/12/democrats-jeffries-move-on-indivisible-trump
I will agree that the 2024 campaign was uninspiring, to say the least.
*genocide, military industrial complex
If Israel is justified, doesn’t that mean that Hamas should be justified for responding to 75 years of murder and apartheid?…
So... none of the above?
Even if we assumed all of the surveyed had an agreed-upon understanding of what "more liberal" and "more moderate" actually meant, that information isn't presented here, so it's impossible to apply broadly.
It's useless.
"More moderate" vs. "More liberal" is really garbage wording for this survey, and doesn't actually allow for meaningful answers.
So the people who are doing financially better, want the party to tack more to the right. lol
Source: How Hitler came to power.
I figure between the pollsters, corporate media, pundits, campaign consultants, and the efforts of *both* parties at the state and national level ... they can get that number below 50% by 2028.
One must realize how right we’ve gone over the last 25 years.
Moderate now is a center right position…not center left like the 90’s…
And it’s all older people…the MAJORITY. Want action.
What does ‘moderate’ even mean in this context? Let’s dig in
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We could choose to have a somewhat better future. Instead, we just have the worst of the worst competition between both parties.
Some think about extremism in terms of rhetoric exclusively, and others thinking of policy have baselines for "the center" all over the political spectrum.
Guess I'll read...