My guess is his answer to the next question is “let’s run on healthcare for all and 25 dollar national minimum wage” next time….sigh…sometimes I wish WE were the party of one issue voters.
First of all, everyone needs to STOP blaming Democrats for the genocide happening not only to the Palestinian people, but also the people of Sudan, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Nicaragua, Myanmar, & others. They are not to blame. (1)
(2) Right wing governments around the world, including the US, don’t care about these “ethnic cleansings” because it’s happening to poor people. This is what the party of musk & trump will do here. Black, Brown, poor people, elderly, non English speaking people will be exterminated.
Oh, yes, there IS genocide occurring in Gaza & Netanyahu is to blame. He’s a criminal like trump & knows he will face prison time if not more. He’s not fighting Hamas for the Jewish people. It’s a distraction.
i too am angered by truths that i refuse to do anything about. similar to my getting angry at my belt for telling me what's up as my waistline expands after eating a bunch of shit.
On the one hand it's funny to watch them and poke them with a stick but on the other hand they make my blood boil and I'm going to give myself an aneurysm if I keep looking too long.
The only way we can change any of this is by voting for more people that aren’t willing to sell their souls to line their pockets. Democrats that actually want to make things better for the American people.
Instead of waiting for people to hand everything over to them, the Bernie wing of the party can get the votes, win elections, and show us all how it's done.
doubt that. No one actually wanted Kamala but the dementia ridden president as a fuck you to the party apparatus that got him there. Everyone knew she was a token at VP.
Let’s hope not. She’s a nice lady, I voted for her and she would have made a helluva better President than Trump. But right now, our country is still much too racist and misogynistic to elect a Woman of Color President.
I voted for her too, but I will never forget how she continuously moved further to the right during her campaign. At the end I might as well have been just voting old school Republican over fascism.
The Democrat aristocracy is not fussed about Trump’s win. They’re all privileged enough that they won’t suffer much from the dismantling of pensions, environmental protections, judiciary and healthcare. If pressed they can afford to flee the country. Democrat is America’s other rightwing party
If the Dems were really on your side, they’d have fought for equal representation for every vote, for proportional representation elections and the abolition of the undemocratic ‘electoral college’ which is simply a democracy override switch. The Dems are constantly fighting their own progressives.
I maintain that you are not serious. Tell me - your preferred alternatives are to Democrats?
The misguided Michigan uncommitted movement and progressives nationwide freaked themselves by withholding voting for the Democratic nominee. it got them nowhere better. Such unserious thinking is harmful
Citizens voting in real democracies have more than two party options for representation in government. In a proportional representation election, I would have voted for the Green Party or for another that supported progressive reforms — but not for the Dems or Republicans.
You describe a utopia that the current political climate does not support. It's 2 parties or not. The Green party represents a waste of electoral votes and are spoilers in the overall cycle. Progressive causes as Biden supported are wins. Gaza not so much among Democrats with large Jewish backing
I wish you and everyone would stop these attacks on Democrats. It's harmful beyond measure. The only thing Dems did wrong was staying ignorant of damage done by psychopathic personalities & ignorant of ways to confront their evil.
It's remarkable how they expect us to sit there and fawn over politicians, treat them like a bunch of ersatz celebrities the way conservatives do. I like the left because if leadership is doing a bad job, I want to say as much. I don't want to have to make people out to be better than they are.
A few things Democrats are very good at it is losing elections they should have won, blaming the left for their mistakes, and alienating working class folks (often by showing contempt for anyone who didn't vote for them) while doing almost nothing to help struggling folks.
Honestly, I think the Dems and the GOP are surprisingly similar given all the smoke, noise, and performative rage. Particularly the Vichy Democrats and the Dems who are fans of Ms. Chaney etc.
The left is more different than even they are form each other.
You're saying that about a country that was made majority white by force through the use of rape, child molestation, torture, slavery, kidnapping, theft, making laws against poc, generational wealth being built off of that so much that we get people like elon musk and donald trump, white men...
..brock turner being able to rape white women and walk, muslim bans, immigrant bans but only from countries of color, antivaxxers being respected because the heads of the movement are white, nurses breaking the bones of black infants, having only one black president in multiple generations,
..greed being directly attached to straight white christian conservative men with money while everyone else generally gets scraps, women losing their rights because white men say they shouldn't have them, lgbtq people losing rights because white men say they shouldn't have them, veterans losing...
In other news, Sanders warms to certain elements of DOGE program, because Musk can't possibly be lying about military spending cuts being on the table. Talk about not learning a goddamned thing.
Even in 92 and 96, the centrists dominating the Democrats only got Clinton elected because Ross Perot split the conservative vote. Since then, Obama won on a message of “change” only for centrists to block his agenda; and Biden won only because Trump is so bad.
I don't think Biden would have won in 2020 on just Trump being bad. It took Covid, an acute crisis that was constantly on everybody's mind, and Trump not only failing to help, but choosing to make everything worse by embracing conspiracies about it. Without Covid, he would have won.
If I had a little more space in the comment, I would have added that. Biden on his own was not a compelling candidate, and last year he was even less appealing.
Yep. Exactly about the Perot factor! Too many people forget that. Clinton did not exceed 50% in 92.
With Biden it helped that he signaled that working the Bernie and his advisors & bringing them on for transition. He even started defining compromise as between lib and left & not lib and right.
Biden even campaigned on a public option. The vibes we so that he had the base even salivating over potential DC statehood. He didn't endorse directly but it felt possible
Harris did none of that gesturing and hopeful expectation setting.
I really don't believe that. Obama had a huge mandate like no other president in the past 40 years with a good majority in house and senate, if he wanted more progressive policy we would've gotten it. He was a lot more of a centrist neoliberal in ideology than most people credit him for.
To be fair, Joe Lieberman screwed Obama over, as did a lot of the same centrists in Congress who later blocked Biden’s promises, and many of whom are still fighting progressive Dems more than they do Republicans. We seriously need more progressives in Congress.
But Obama was definitely more interested in technocratic governance than progressive legislation. He could have been much more progressive if he tried.
Just like the dems. And the dems words are "genocide is ok if it's israel doing it" and "I'm exactly the same as biden except I'll have more republicans in my cabinent"
The very existence of the state of israel is a violent assault against all Palestinians. Not to mention the actual violence and genocide being carried out in the name of "self defense" and "Reclaiming their ancestral homeland". Israel as a state must cease to exist.
If someone broke into your house and said it was theirs cuz their great grandma lived there before they were born they would not have the right to kill you because you used violence to get them out of your house.
Handing billions of dollars in military aid to Israel *while they are committing genocide* isn't enough for you? You want them to say it out loud, too? Not even Biden is that dumb.
They never do. They’re already taking about needing to make Gavin Newsome their own Trump. And distancing themselves further from Transpeople, which makes that month the Harris campaign took off to cyberbully Chapelle Roan hilarious.
Well it's one thing to hand over power peacefully, as Johnson did with a certain grace, and it's quite another to transfer power peacefully looking as if you were conquored and then run over by a truck five times.
Is it too much even to want a little optical assurance of anti-capitulatoin?
Honestly I'm convinced they're playing to lose on purpose at this point. They're so consumed with the desire for personal enrichment and the pursuit of petty grievances with each other they actively avoid ceding power or seriously entertaining any new ideas, even when it's necessary.
I'm hesitant to fully say that - but then, the amount of pure graft we saw with the Harris campaign, which blew over a BILLION on that short term abortion, was insane.
They love the aesthetics of doing the right thing but they don't actually want to do anything because that would hurt their bottom line, so yeah pretty much
Bernie hasn't done jack *&($#*^ for legislation in ALL the time he's been in Congress. He's not a Democrat, so don't call him out for that. (He is registered as "Independent".) The man only rants - and he's one that needs to be replaced with younger blood.
I am VERY much a "working age American" and just over 65. What an ignorant assumption you made! Until you retire or die, you are a "working age American". I have 2 jobs, and must work for financial stability. Bernie has been in Congress 29 years & has only named post offices. He's also very rich.
Better question: do Dems really want to win? How is it possible to lose twice to fucking Donald Trump, GW Bush, Ronald Reagan.
As far as I saw, they didn't make an issue of:
His obvious dementia
Jan 6
Theft of classified documents
Bungling / deliberate COVID sabotage
Putin connection
Trump winning keeps the Dems in a job. If Dems won regularly, they'd start having to worry about being too centrist. I'm pretty sure they like having a bogeyman to pretend to fight, so that they never have to address any real issues.
either way, it shows that we aren't a representative republic, if we ever were. Govt is supposed to reflect the will of the people, not the other way around.
With all due respect, they are fucking representatives of their party. If their base is moving left, they need to quit funneling money to centrist candidates who dont enthuse their base. Make it make sense
Then they either move to where their base is or get out of the way for people who will. It isn't on the base to meet them as they move closer to Republicans.
Every time Democrats lost an election since Reagan, they overwhelmingly decided the reason was they're "too radical to average people" and need to "reach across the aisle", becoming more and more right-wing.
Their governing has become increasingly left wing every year, Hillary to Obama’s left, Biden to Hillary’s and Harris ran to the left of Biden. (Biden most pro labor, blah blah blah). It’s probably a messenger thing, but you should look up policy platforms from 12, 16, 20, and 24
in what way was Harris more to the left of biden? No Medicare for all, no student loan debt relief, not even bringing back some of the popular covid programs lol
The increasing Medicare to cover in-home care, more price-caps for prescription drugs (extended outside of Medicare), assistance for home-buyers, child tax credit (permanent). Might not be what you want, but these are left wing policies. There was also a proposed tax on unrealized gains.
I feel like there’s enough Democrats nowadays who have learned the lesson and will probably actively be more critical of things… as for the DNC establishment no.
They force Pete Buttigieg on us in 2027-2028 or something and do to AOC what they did to sanders.
The rank and file that aren’t terminally online will go hard in on progressive populism. It’s only the terminally online crowd of neoliberals who want to hang on. But even I want them to leave neoliberalism and join us in the progressive populist movement.
The problem as I see it, is that the Republican Party is gone, replaced by the Trump party. Because of how our government was set up, we’re stuck with a two party system, so that means one party has to basically include conservative, progressive and centrist Democrats, and Republicans.
We don't have to include conservatives actually, conservatives won't vote for a party that includes anyone else, because they suck and are bad and want us all dead. trying to include them is an electoral death sentence
an entire shitty party of clowns who can’t help but brand themselves constantly as Republican light and then cry about the increasing amount of people who hate that shit
Fighting with facts doesn't work for Trump supporters so the Democrats may have to stoop to new lows too. That's risky. People come to believe their own rhetoric.
The dumbing down of American society carried out by the stupid and those that want excessive riches and power is painful to watch.
What, two presidential runs? Dude ran as a no name laughing stock in 2016, and nearly usurped one of the most popular presidential families in modern American politics without the backing of his party's committee. He's the first non-republican to win Vermont's class 1 seat since 1850.
Dude who refuses to identify as a Democrat didn't get the backing of the Democratic party committee and completely failed to win the Democratic vote in two consecutive elections.
He's won forty years of elections, like even if you hate the guy, you don't see any validity or coalitional power there? He lost the 2016 primaries by three tenths of a percent c'mon...
I don't care whether you like or dislike Bernie, but a huge segment of the population thinks his progressive policies and stances are attractive. Ignoring that hurts your electoral chances 🤷
Democrats, and others, adamantly refuse to learn how social media, like Twitter, can smash into the nucleus of nations, breaking rib cages and tear out their living hearts. Mostly because they are out of touch, and would rather give their old friends jobs, and then watch the world burn on a big TV.
They have learned that and that's why they're "bad" at it. Democrats disciplined enough to be allowed to participate at the federal level would never do anything that might accidentally cause an outbreak of class consciousness.
People want the simple things like a home. Instead we get told the words we can't say, the words we must listen to, the new fines to pay. And that being homeless, or poor, are bad choices we made.
Well, opinions are like assholes. Everyone’s got one. Thanks, Bernie, but I remember you not winning either so your advice on winning is not warranted.
I think she ran out honest, fair, fine campaign, and lost because a third of America are still racist assholes. Period, End of story.
I mean trump increased his minority margins so clearly racism isnt the only problem. Racism certainly played a role but centrism from dems got us here too
Never said it was the only problem. You're own mind said since you're talking to a black person. Said black person has to think racism is the only problem. Which is a you problem.
Most recent example I can think of is France. The left won a majority of seats with centrists in 2nd, fascists in 3rd. The centrists then proceed to knife the left in the back every step afterwards.
Ending a self-perpetuating system necessarily means being outside its logic.
Leftism *should* be irrelevant to the cycle of electoral politics, but only in the same way that a sword is irrelevant to a nuanced understanding of a circulatory system.
Canada and the US definitely need to be switched because the dems already lost and Trudeau hasn't gotten absolutely smoked yet but will as soon as the elections happen.
There's nothing to learn from this loss. We did all our "learning and listening" after 2016, we sought out the "forgotten man", and for what? It wound up boosting JD Vance to popularity and not much else.
The real lesson to learn from Trump's win is that we should stick our heads in the sand.
Even if that's true, the way to overcome that is to make it overwhelmingly clear by doing more for the American people then never shutting the fuck up about it.
Also, not funding & enabling a genocide while speaking out against it about how bad it is would have helped (even if Trump will be worse)
Except. What if the america public refuses to understand the core idea of self preservation? And even when people make good policy most white people in america don't give a fuck and pick suicide anyway?
I love how yall don't even think about whether you can or will get minority votes if there's another election. Not just because you haven't thought that far out. But because ultimately you just don't give a fuck.
Isn't trump older than biden? I don't really remember. But at the very least...same or similar age. And none of you had shit to say about trump's age. For a reason.
My hope for Trump was a better shot or someone with a doohickey would come along. The Biden administration’s internal polling had Trump winning 400 electoral votes. It’s impressive how many Harris clawed back in 3 months time. Imagine if Biden dropped out sooner.
What they got wrong was running away from everything they have done and could do to actually help people in order to chase Republican voters embarrassed by Trump that don't exist, and alienating their base in the process. They ran a campaign that appealed to nobody, and wonder why they lost.
They didn't. But that's not entirely accurate. It's that democrats didn't know people were already so deeply hilariously idioticly racist and sexist already. To the point where they'd kill themselves and others just to feel better than others for five seconds.
Seems wrong to me too. But i've had at least 20 people disagree with me on that. And say somehow he does. Creating a reality for themselves that doesn't exist. And never did.
How about democrats/liberals/progressives copying republicans and in the process making any and every last kid/teen who stutters and forgets words only to remember them later feel like absolute shit because those people don't actually care about people?
That whole do nothing democrats mantra? Literally came from republicans. So excuse me for not wanting to bang with a bunch of people who take their marching orders DIRECTLY from the enemy.
I agree. Any and every last kid/teen with a stutter heard liberals all over america tell them that stuttering means they shouldn't and can't ever be president.
Nah it was the G word ballz
Everyone can stop blaming black men, indigenous anti-war people, CubanAmericans or conservative white women even, for losing to a serial sexual predator odious felon it was the GenOcideJoe thing(not my nomenclature) that KamalaWalz2024 couldn’t shake
& for Native Peeps
And yet another white person saying racism and sexism had nothing to do with it. Even though america has been racist and sexist as fuck for hundreds of years. I love how yall protect white privilege with any and everything. Even your own lives.
Not “yet another white person” saying it saggin
Awkwardly enough for you it is native people who quite frankly need no lectures about the brutality racism and sexism in “America” being resisted since 1492 but pop off ballz
The key to understanding why that is? Two words. Personal responsibility. If it can be the fault of white people who voted for trump. For white people who refused to vote at all. Then it's possible it's their fault. And we all know how white accountability has historically gone in america.
For fucks sake, you can't "personal responsibility" sociology. Let's say your right, and that's the issue. What do you do with that? You can't just magically make 80+ million people more personally responsible. The solution is the same: leadership, education, messaging, and voter turnout strategies.
The actual 360 is that each person is accountable for their part: the Trump voters, the Harris voters, the 3rd party voters/and the largest block who apathetically stayed on the couch and didn’t vote at all. It all added up to what we have now.
It's complicated. But i can for sure agree with you on that. Again. Explaining how each person contributed to it is very complicated. But on it's face you are accurate.
Nope. They can't be wrong. They can't have done anything wrong. It must have been someone else's fault. Yeah. Democrats. Democrats must be EXACTLY like republicans. Even though republicans have literally killed people and gotten away with it.
The Cheney stuff, letting off calling them weird, Israel, ignoring everyone saying there's something wrong financially - that's fine? All good? Wouldn't change any of those?
It doesn't imply it. It states it overtly and correctly. Medicare4all is wildly popular. So are other social programs. Dems would rather lose than offer that. They're not allowed to. Their donors won't allow it. Wake up. Also yes, Dems are complicit in Gaza.
Make americans smarter. And things will get better. It's literally one of the largest things bernie sanders has never said, never even alluded to and odds are extremely good...never even thought about. Smarter people are less open to manipulation from others.
lmao what are you talking about. what do you think is a downstream effect of free college and universal pre k? do you think he should get out there and say “Americans are dumb” or what
Yes. I want bernie sanders to say...racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, etc. Is inherently illogical. And that illogical thinking in a person's mind breeds even more illogical thinking. And that harming other americans because of that isn't being patriotic. What? Did i stutter?
Want to fix america? More informed/woke, more intelligent, etc. And they'll INSTANTLY become more moral. Why and how? No man is an island. They'll understand that allowing groups in america to be harmed means they'll be harmed and/or they'll be harmed down the line. That's true intellect.
he literally ran his own public access show where he went to the burlington mall and had political conversations with the teenagers having around there lmao
Ok. Think for a hot ass second about critical race theory. How many white americans would either say that's bad instantly. Or shy away from talking about it at all? And all it is is talking about how racist as fuck america has been for hundreds of years. Did bernie talk about that?
Blame the voters when you dont provide a democratic process to select a candidate, blame the voters when you come across as establishment slop, blame the voters when you failed to reach them, and blame the voters when you fail to deliver on your economic agenda. Trump is worse but dems are morons
Morons? You mean like people who say they voted for blank or didn't vote at all because of their opinions on something. Only to then say their own opinions on that something don't matter to why they voted or voted at all? lol
There has been massive wrong doing by the democrats, from rigging primaries, to foregoing them entirely
to rolling Diane Feinstein's moth eaten corpse onto the senate floor and pretending she was voting
and that's not even getting to supporting an ongoing genocide
Forreal. As a Dem Socialist, I love Bernie, but Harris had pretty solid plans that would’ve helped Average Americans. Dem messaging was suppressed by manipulated social media algorithms. All I’m learning is that we need to seize these media outlets from these literal Nazis.
They've severely underestimated the brain rot propaganda. Americans COULD be more intelligent. But they're not. Because Democrats can never address the root issues. They have to let fascists run amok under some guise of fairness.
I disagree. The people in this thread? KNOW the brain rot exists. They just don't think it'll hurt them negatively. Just minority groups. That's why it's not an issue for them. Which is why i agree democrats can't address the root issue.
Complacent as fuck. My generation came up with "I don't know how to tell you that you should care about other people" in response to this phenomenon. The white fragility here goes crazy good lord. Don't worry y'all I say that as a mayo monkey myself.
I mean you can't really hold them to it too much. Things like racism isn't directed toward black people. We're the target but we aren't the target. And racism has existed in america for hundreds of years. Like mfers get tricked by tv shows from a couple years ago. lol
For what it’s worth, I could go super hard on the neo libs on this website. But what would that accomplish? We need to recruit them to our end of things. Closest that we’ve got to this blueprint is Obama 08.
Noticing now i didn't spell that correctly. And just like that i'm 100% sure at least 30 leftists will try to use me not spelling that correctly to try to manipulate me into killing myself.
But we're talking a perfect utopia. lol It's hilarious how..being more logical and moral than you were before was described as being saintly, being noble and now...a utopia. Nah. That should be normal. lol
I mean haven't we been through the whole...don't normalize bullshit thing about a billion times in america? How come being a better human being. Logic and morality wise...is always being painted as some in the stars shit? lmfao
They've been running campaigns assuming some definition of "american intelligence" for years and it hasn't seemed to work. They haven't learned before. Not confident they will now.
Can you blame them though? I had no idea this many people have and would continue to tell self preservation to fuck off. They scream about helping gaza but how can we do that if we're fascist country?
You are correct on both on account. I'll show you real quick why and how america is dumb as fuck. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia? Are inherently illogical ways of thinking. But. America NEVER defends them as so. And so about 8/9 of americans don't think so.
In the process? Those americans who might not be those things or might not be entirely those things? Have their ideas of logic and morality negatively effected. Making them dumber. Until of course everyone and the kitchen sink "forgets" america is majority white.
obama won two terms by actually being able to articulate a message beyond "liz cheney is awesome" and "all palestinian ultrasound machines are really Hamas rocket launchers" but the reason harris lost is just because america is irredeemably racist. anyway, let's run her again next time
The Democratic Party totally screwed up this election. Trying to keep a OLD and diminished president.. then giving us an alternative we didn’t choose.. leading to a disaster.. And now the old leaders are still there.. OMG.. Help us 🙏
Seems like this post has gotten way out of control.. ableism bs.. Biden was a great president but for the final year or more he was losing it in front of us.. getting lost in the middle of statements.. stumbling.. falling asleep.. he’s supposed to be our leader.. He was bad and the party knew it
Ableism? Not me.. They waited until the last couple weeks until there was no other choice.. a choice They picked.. not us. We should have had real primaries a year earlier. That’s how democracies work.
Thanks! I'm sorry my desire for the commander-in-chief, controller of nuclear weapons, top diplomat, and leader of my preferred political party to be consistently lucid offends you.
I also think people with brain damage shouldn't be allowed to fly airplanes, you can be mad at me for that too.
as someone who has faced their fair share of ableism, I can assure you there was nothing ableist about what they said. they just gave the truth of the situation.
Hi. I have also faced my fair share of ableism, and I can assure you that believing someone is mentally diminished because they stutter and had a bad debate performance is indeed ableist.
Oh the democrats could learn a LOT
and they need to if they don't intend to remain the minority party for the next 20 years
Let's not forget, FDR was elected 4 times because he helped working people
the dems have spent every year since he died trying to over turn the little bit of good he did
They spent four year circling around the "normalization" that Biden would bring after Trump when I think a LOT of voters on the Left were wanting to see something NEW that would finally upset the status quo. Of course that didn't happen because the Dems love the status quo.
They didn't learn with Hillary's loss. They didn't learn with Biden's win. They won't learn now.
Rather, they will double down on serving Wall Street while giving lip service to the rest of us. The one alternative is AOC. But they will crucify her. Pelosi has already lit the fire.
You may be on to something. In 2016 we did try the conservative, corporate-owned, old white woman and almost made it. I was shown that, this time, white women preferred the Marauder in Chief, which was for me, an old liberal white guy, counter intuitive.
and that's why i largely don't support Democrats. some of them, sure, but only if they have/support good policies. ex: i respect AOC for being willing to go against her own party if it means bettering the lives of average Americans
the same democrats who supported the right wing immigration bill, are now calling Bernie racist for being critical of how H1B visas exploit foreign workers.
They use the memory hole in the same way the Republicans do. They collaborate with the enemy to do horrible things and then deny it come election time and the loyal blue sheeple pivot to blaming The Squad and Bernie Sanders for the failure of the Democratic establishment to be actual opposition.
I mean he’s right, if anything they’re gonna go further right, lose more voters and not gain any right winger voters they’re kneeling to already, and then continue to lose elections
"We rejected him, therefore he couldn't win, therefore we were right to reject him!"
During the primary, the polls largely gave Hillary a dicey narrow lead over the Donald, and they turned out to be accurate!
The same polls gave Bernie a wider, safer lead--can you be sure they WEREN'T accurate?
Bernie's doing the same thing he's always been doing normalizing white Generational Ignorance & blaming people of color for not giving them their chair he has never been about anything Hillary Clinton created advocated every progressive idea that comes outta his mouth probably before you were born
I was never going to vote for Bernie Sanders ever telling me white working class Americans needed a pass for voting themselves into poverty is absurd HillaryClinton was always the better choice she was creating the Democratic agenda when Bernie was still smelling his fingers 😐
🤣😂 white working class voters voted themselves into this position Facts are Facts nobody told them to throw everyone else under the bus and support tax cuts for the rich 😐
Bernie Sanders is the Trump of the far left he literally has done nothing while Hillary Clinton literally created your entire platform before most of you were born 😒
Thank you for saying this. Bernie is no saint, he's done precisely jack shit in over 30 years in Congress except renaming three Post Offices and attaching his name to legislation other people write so he can take credit. I will hate him until the stars burn out.
His advocacy for unions has been a breath of fresh air amongst the bank bail outs and corporate pandering. I'd like to see America shift to helping small business and working people. So far it's been an exercise in tilting windmills for labor leaders, such as myself.
Sanders voted against the wars in Iraq, Libya and Syra. Hillary supported all of them. As Secretary of State at the time she was even one of the primary architects of the Libya debacle which left it a failed State and now a base for ISIS.
Hillary Clinton voted for the PATRIOT Act which authorized unprecedented spying on US citizens and imprisonment without trial. She later voted for it's reauthorization. Sanders has always voted against it.
It was clear in 2002 that the case for the invasion of Iraq was lies. There were two kinds of people who supported the war: Fools who believed the lies, and opportunists who pretended to for advantage. Bernie voted against the invasion. Hillary voted for it. She disqualified herself right there.
Marginalizing opposition is a wonderful tactic of the right. Good use of their strategies!
I see how well Democrats perform when they shift from representing to dictating. From listening to telling. I simply want my fellow union brothers and sisters to have a say in politics.
Look, Hillary was a fine candidate, but didn't have my interests in mind. Having worked on both campaigns, I saw first hand the difference in campaign strategies. Hillary faded, Bernie still remains popular. Astroturf vs. grassroots.
Learned what that Generationally ignorant white working class people still need an advantage outta the situation they keep voting for themselves Bernie Sanders can kiss my entire ass
Lol...we haven't learned our lesson from him and the late Ted Kennedy. I do support both of their policies just not their methods, i.e., not supporting the incumbent during an election year.
Yeah, that’s why the US is considered a flawed democracy. In swirling democracy, a party doesn‘t come back from loosing to Trump in 2016, or at least not without changing a lot. The sheer lack of alternatives is what keeps them alive.
Oh-ho, see the thing is, it's not the far far left. It's what would have been considered in this country until around 1980 regular Democratic politics. Reagan trauma has crippled Democratic Party leaders' ability to think straight.
I think we need to seriously consider how to win the hearts and minds of the moderates in Ohio, Wi, Mi,Az, Ga, and other places if you want to win a national election. The thinking left will stay true to Democrats no matter what they are called.
Democrats are too addicted to the oligarchs money to ever give it up.
They would rather beat down progressives with violence than give up. They have before like in 2011. Democrat mayor, Democrat governor, Democrat President. Sent jacked booted NYPD thugs to club and mace us.
If the DNC is going to operate off a principle of “don’t upset Republicans and donors who might vote for us” then all they are is a left-branch of the GOP.
💯 Guarantee. All actions have shown it since. They’re going to slowly move to irrelevancy and we need to operate in parallel structures. Essentially, we’re on our own.
Bernie Sanders warned repeatedly that ignoring the people who live in deindustrialized America would be a disaster for the Democrats.
*The Democrats experience disaster*
"It's all Bernie's fault you know"
🙄🇺🇸🙄
I'm not a Harris hater, but the Democrats did put themselves in a box where their only choices were an dementia-ridden Biden or his VP who face planted embarrassingly in a previous Presidential run.
Bernie himself isn't the answer, but his rhetoric just might be.
The lesson for democrats should be to not take chances and to have more fast talkers, people who know their stuff, not ones people will doubt because they get stumped easily.
That's a short list spread over 35 years. If you look at his legislation scores from Georgetowns public policy he has the second lowest score of any serving senator.
We should've learned form HRC loss but we didn't. I knew it was going to be a repeat of the 2016 election since the beginning. I supported her, but let's face it, there's too much misogynism still in America
He needs to fuck off. Biden was the most progressive president I have seen, and how did Bernie and the leftists reward him? This old man is always knitting DEMs in broad daylight and bitching 🙄
I know several people who have to work away where they live, so they have 2 houses
The fact that his wife inherited a cabin isn't the big "wooo" you think it is
I have my own reasons for disliking him, none of which are having to work away from his home
get a new script, that's one is moldy
He IS one of "the people"
He wrote a book that made him wealthy, I don't begrudge anyone benefitting from their own labor, no one should
we should ALL be so lucky
My problem with Bernie have more to do with how he pivoted in the last primaries he was in and his case of TDS, he should know better
She lost because "the economy is great, actually", while food scarcity and homelessness are both at record highs. When the party ignores the bottom, the voters stay home. Worse, the campaign kept trying to cater to Republicans. But they blame trans people. So they already aren't learning.
Dems need to learn:1.beating the hell out of one's political opponent's knees with his nuts is a tactical error. 2.when you have power, USE IT (we should have single payer health care since Obama's first term). 3- don't roll over when the other side wipes its ass with the constitution (scotus pick)
Wasn't Obama opposed by "centrist" Dems like Manchin when he had the trifecta? I think a lot of those old school problem solvers are gone now aren't they. The D politicians seem the leftest this century but shut out of power by media and gerrymandering to the extent they can't enact left legislation
He’s so helpful, like a speed bump. Grumpy grouchy guy. Another member of the octogenarian gang who could do something but prefers to make negative comments instead of organizing a fight. Useless waste of air.
One of the lessons they need to learn is that the old guard needs to step aside and retire. But Bernie himself is still there, so yeah. Nothing learned
It’s a good opportunity for the democrats to double down on their least popular policies and alienate even more of the American people. But at least their not racist or whatever
It took several days to be certain that Trump lost in 2020. I remember mathing out the margin of victory in the tipping point states and it added up to less than 50,000 votes.
I don't think Democrats will learn anything, as the first day of work in Congress they are already trying to work with Republicans. Republicans won't work with Democrats, but do democrats know that?
Nope! You are not alone. Kamala Harris did 1% better in Vermont than Bernie. If he was as good as he says, he should have won bigger than VP Harris in his own state.
Also if he was so great he wouldn’t have lost support to third party candidates. There were multiple candidates running for president in Vermont as well!
While y’all are being pure, us black folks are the most loyal Democratic voters. We understand that the party is not perfect but we vote for them anyway because we understand the assignment and consequences. Good luck winning without us.
Yea ok. I don’t look shit like a scorned white mom. That’s that finger waving shit yall do. It’s funny that so many so called progressives and Bernie followers wind up shifting right and start grifting for that right wing money.
alll the democrats need to learn is that america is not ready for a woman president and least of all a black woman president and they need to run rich popular white men as their candidate for president...they can keep the diversity in the house and somewhat in the senate
"Probably not" is wilding optimistic. Everything they've said since elections to business as usual. They will continue to serve donors, and they will continue to lose.
I love how everyone, including Bernie, pretends to have the magic solution that would've changed 2024's outcome. The only real solution is a racist, misogynistic, underachieving one. On that, Trump trumps all because he makes certain voters feel better about themselves. It's that simple.
That assumes that he wouldn't lose the demographics that voted for Biden/Harris. Not everyone is on board with socialism, no matter how great socialists believe it to be
I dont remember seeing him losing any demographics that Biden/Harris gained, but I do remember seeing demographics that would pick Bernie over Trump that Biden/Harris didn't gain.
You're right: Bernie never lost a demographic that Biden/Harris gained. And he never gained ones that they lost. Doing either would require that he run against Trump as the Dem nominee, so....
If you want to change policy, if you want better leadership, you have to vote for someone who can win. Nobody is coming to rescue us but ourselves. Not voting is the main threat to better policy because bad faith actors always fill the power vacuum you create by surrendering your voice.
Yeah, this mask off headline from 2020 (one of the other Most Important Elections of Our Lifetime) is the perfect example, taken from when Bernie was leading the primaries.
Somebody just share that with me like yesterday. I know they showed the numbers. I posted them. I don't know a week ago. Not even couple days ago that showed that Bernie would have won.
But the democrats would rather lose than concede ti public demands
holy shit, the blue magats in the comment section here. holy fuck
they are so fucking oblivious to what the fuck is going on and refuse to learn. proving bernie right
It's honestly exhausting, mostly because even if you voted along with them, you're "the enemy" if you say anything negative about the Democratic party.
The biggest losses in electoral history were centered solely on the Democrat Party’s policy concession to its “moderate” wing. Just fucking learn anything. It was only fifteen years ago, not ancient history.
I was unprepared for the level of aggression "blue wave" folks would direct towards us post-election. People were sending me pictures of Trump's face saying I was why he won in reply to extremely innocuous comments about being respectful of GNC people on Facebook.
I'm not confident about lots of things, but one of the few that I am is that you don't generally win elections by taking a portion of your electorate - of any size - and alienating them.
Democrats were either too far to the left or not far enough to the left, depending on who you ask. The only thing voters can agree on is they weren't the exact right amount to the left.
The left-right spectrum is a substitute for thinking. Look at how people the current health care system right across country. Telling me medicare for all is a "left" policy is meaningless. It's a *popular* policy. Dems could win on it.
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I'll wait
Maybe he should do that.
If THAT'S what she can do after being dealt the worst hand possible, Dems better think twice about letting her go.
I don't know, Ryan, I just don't see it.
The misguided Michigan uncommitted movement and progressives nationwide freaked themselves by withholding voting for the Democratic nominee. it got them nowhere better. Such unserious thinking is harmful
he was always the compromise candidate
there are better people than him to do the job
The left is more different than even they are form each other.
GOP do it and the the Dems normalize it and stabilize it. It's just the left and right boots of oppression that run the empire.
With Biden it helped that he signaled that working the Bernie and his advisors & bringing them on for transition. He even started defining compromise as between lib and left & not lib and right.
Harris did none of that gesturing and hopeful expectation setting.
I know it's easy to forget, but Hamas did attack them, and they do have a right to defend themselves.
But that's not support for genocide.
You do not have a right to defend yourself against the people who are trying to reclaim their land.
Israel is an illegitimate state on violently stolen land.
https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
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https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
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https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-former-shin-bet-chief-we-warned-against-the-gaza-concept-1001461109
Harris correctly identified Trump as a fascist, publicly.
Cut to Biden welcoming Trump to the WH, one of the scariest pictures in American political history.
You don't hand the country over to fascists.
Is it too much even to want a little optical assurance of anti-capitulatoin?
I’ll eat my hat if the number is under 65. Maybe you aren’t the one to be telling us actual working age Americans what it is that we want.
they'd like their talking points back
https://www.alternet.org/2015/10/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
As far as I saw, they didn't make an issue of:
His obvious dementia
Jan 6
Theft of classified documents
Bungling / deliberate COVID sabotage
Putin connection
At this point, I think Democrats are fine being diet Republicans.
People want change and someone to vote for, not just vote against.
So if the party is moving to the right, it's because that's what the base wants.
But also don't kid yourself they are moving more to the right.
The child tax credits bill Bernie proposed was voted down by democrats.
They force Pete Buttigieg on us in 2027-2028 or something and do to AOC what they did to sanders.
I need specifics
This is why you won't learn anything after Harris' loss. You didn't learn anything after Hillary's.
The dumbing down of American society carried out by the stupid and those that want excessive riches and power is painful to watch.
repeated Bernie Sanders losses: "..."
Tell me more, Berniebro.
He is a big fish in a state with fewer people than the District of Columbia which has (let me check) FUCKING ZERO SENATORS. Bernie is a fucking clown.
I think she ran out honest, fair, fine campaign, and lost because a third of America are still racist assholes. Period, End of story.
The loss was absolutely to a large part due to a failure of dems to get their people to turn out.
~ #BlueMAGA
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That and the missing alt text.
*Get bombed*
Leftism *should* be irrelevant to the cycle of electoral politics, but only in the same way that a sword is irrelevant to a nuanced understanding of a circulatory system.
The real lesson to learn from Trump's win is that we should stick our heads in the sand.
Also, not funding & enabling a genocide while speaking out against it about how bad it is would have helped (even if Trump will be worse)
Trump got less votes than Biden & Kamala got more votes than Trump did in 2020
I also suspect some people got so depressed from the ongoing genocide that they stopped caring about self-preservation
This tantrum of yours is as pathetic as it is painfully stupid.
No, you lost because your constituencies don't have faith in you, and you're proving them right.
Everyone can stop blaming black men, indigenous anti-war people, CubanAmericans or conservative white women even, for losing to a serial sexual predator odious felon it was the GenOcideJoe thing(not my nomenclature) that KamalaWalz2024 couldn’t shake
& for Native Peeps
Awkwardly enough for you it is native people who quite frankly need no lectures about the brutality racism and sexism in “America” being resisted since 1492 but pop off ballz
The Cheney stuff, letting off calling them weird, Israel, ignoring everyone saying there's something wrong financially - that's fine? All good? Wouldn't change any of those?
He's correct, the left broadly was correct.
to rolling Diane Feinstein's moth eaten corpse onto the senate floor and pretending she was voting
and that's not even getting to supporting an ongoing genocide
also me: it is the low IQ of the average american dumb-dumb, who I despise, which is the real culprit
I also think people with brain damage shouldn't be allowed to fly airplanes, you can be mad at me for that too.
and they need to if they don't intend to remain the minority party for the next 20 years
Let's not forget, FDR was elected 4 times because he helped working people
the dems have spent every year since he died trying to over turn the little bit of good he did
Rather, they will double down on serving Wall Street while giving lip service to the rest of us. The one alternative is AOC. But they will crucify her. Pelosi has already lit the fire.
Could he have won? Uncertain. But he was certainly handicapped by the party -- their voters' wishes be damned.
so yeah, they aren’t learning a thing.
Bernie signs on to a lot of other’s bills but has he actually shepherded a bill of his own from start to finish?
I am having a hard time finding examples.
During the primary, the polls largely gave Hillary a dicey narrow lead over the Donald, and they turned out to be accurate!
The same polls gave Bernie a wider, safer lead--can you be sure they WEREN'T accurate?
I'll be working to change the Democratic party to reflect a working family agenda. This corporate love fest they got going on is gross.
We'll keep up the fight tho.
I see how well Democrats perform when they shift from representing to dictating. From listening to telling. I simply want my fellow union brothers and sisters to have a say in politics.
Look, Hillary was a fine candidate, but didn't have my interests in mind. Having worked on both campaigns, I saw first hand the difference in campaign strategies. Hillary faded, Bernie still remains popular. Astroturf vs. grassroots.
Let's focus on 2026.
so he's not on my "good guy" list anymore
They would rather beat down progressives with violence than give up. They have before like in 2011. Democrat mayor, Democrat governor, Democrat President. Sent jacked booted NYPD thugs to club and mace us.
(This is the map of popular donations to dems candidates in 2020)
I'm not a fan of Bernie
but this is a curious take
*The Democrats experience disaster*
"It's all Bernie's fault you know"
🙄🇺🇸🙄
Bernie himself isn't the answer, but his rhetoric just might be.
https://www.alternet.org/2015/10/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
The fact that his wife inherited a cabin isn't the big "wooo" you think it is
I have my own reasons for disliking him, none of which are having to work away from his home
get a new script, that's one is moldy
Still one of the least wealthy Senators in the chamber. You're just using an odd frame of reference to justify your irrational tribal hatred.
He wrote a book that made him wealthy, I don't begrudge anyone benefitting from their own labor, no one should
we should ALL be so lucky
My problem with Bernie have more to do with how he pivoted in the last primaries he was in and his case of TDS, he should know better
AMERICANS are the ones who need to learn their lesson.
Simpler if the Government
Simply dissolved the People
And elected another?
— Berthold Brecht. "The Solution", (1953).
Americans are about to get EXACTLY what they voted for, or DIDN'T vote for in the case of more than 1/3 of eligible voters.🤷♀️
Will the performative voters who consider themselves too pure and holy to vote for Harris learn?
But please use some alt txt for images and such. Thanks!
https://manningkrull.com/digital-philosophy/alt-text-101-for-bluesky/
You guys are so desperate for a comeback you'll throw math out the window.
Looks like a net win, personally.
that's why Harris lost
It's not that they don't learn. These are not stupid people. They don't care. They would rather lose to Trump. Then have somebody like bernie win
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html
Despite it being proven he would have
I've posted the numbers if you're interested I can try to pull them up.
But the democrats would rather lose than concede ti public demands
I would love to see those numbers showing a Bernie win. I'm going to look back at your feed. Thanks for all the info!! You're awesome.
they are so fucking oblivious to what the fuck is going on and refuse to learn. proving bernie right
Moving to the left is a losing strategy. It’s the messaging that the issue not moving further left or right
You’re wrong.
Using the word right in a statement about leftism is too right leaning.