all i'm saying is it would've been nice to have this healthcare policy discussion *before* we gave a trifecta to the party that tried to strip coverage from tens of millions of people last time they were in power
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The left will have to deal with the rotating villain being bought off by the insurance lobby too once they win the 50+ additional senate seats it would take for people to see it as their problem rather than the libs'
Yeah, it's a major problem! The thing is it's not a problem that you have any better solutions to. Easy to say you wouldn't get bought off by lobbies when no one's showing up at leftist Senators' doors with a suitcase full of cash
And party leadership is conveniently helpless to do anything about them, hopelessly held hostage by 1-3 people. Can’t kick them off committees, yank their funding, yank sponsorships, censor them, threaten to primary…none of that is in the hands of presidents or chairpersons 🤷🏻♀️
If it was universal everyone would be covered, yet millions aren't. And you can still lose your coverage under ACA through non-payment of premiums. It is not universal.
M4A is a concrete policy, not my fault if you failed to educate yourself about it.
The media basically accused Harris of lying when she accurately stated Trump and the GOP want to end Obamacare. They repeatedly countered with quoting a serial liar “Trump said he wouldn’t do it”.
maybe if one of the parties had run on a platform that promised to fix this in any way rather than explicitly saying they would change nothing that party could have won an election, hard 2 say tho
When I went through chemo at age 30, a woman at the clinic who started treatment when I did had had to wait weeks to find out if her treatments were approved. Stage 4 cancer, and every day mattered. The trauma of waiting after the trauma of diagnosis was excruciating. Good news is she’s still alive.
Oh my god, that’s so evil. I am so sorry you went through cancer as well. It’s inexplicable to me how we’ve so tolerated this hellish system. My experiences have been pure hell too.
The elitist predatory class runs the corrupt circle jerk btw corporate-owned media that takes advertising money from corporate owner-donors who bribe elected officials in both parties while gaslighting/manipulating people into thinking things are red v blue instead of the truth. https://youtu.be/DuOPpWTxBp8
Didn't your idelogical peers asked people to "focus on beating Trump first" and then worry about all of that stuff later? You people keep reading the room soooo poorly.
The media will again be called “fake news” anytime they report anything unfavorable to trump. They should’ve reported all the dispicable things he said & did prior to the election. Instead they treated him like a legitimate candidate. They are complicit in him winning.
If we lose the republic, it would be directly bc of the corrupted media ecosystem that didn't communicate relevant facts to the public & the "news" media's *faliure* to inform the public on the threats, risks & stakes in the election.
People instead downplayed the risk & the potential damage.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Democrats spent far too much time, effort & money focused on both female and trans issues.
I understand that they are important topics, but pale into insignificance when compared to grassroots issues which affect all Americans.
Sadly, the cost of living was given a back seat.
Harris didn't talk about trans issues, the GOP did. Harris lost over sponsoring genocide against Palestinians and refusing to distance herself from an unpopular Biden on any issue.
The problem with that piece of shit is he wasn't able to come up with a rational adult compromise between people who need healthcare coverage to be alive and the people who want to deny the claims so they can have a lot of money
There is no compromise with for-profit insurance. M4A cannot work if theres a separate for-profit system. It's universal payer and unemployed (but alive) CEOs or things are just gonna get worse (for the sick, disabled, or vulnerable).
That's my point under m4a he would bmnot have been a heath insurance ceo. Thus he would not have been killed.
This hi how the CEOs life could have been saved.
Thing is, & I say this as a disabled person who has been extremely harmed and almost died because of denials, the insurance companies employ a lot of people who aren’t the ones causing harm and need to be protected when implementing universal healthcare and we can’t ignore that if we want to get it
I'm with you. We need to transition those positions into other work just like we need to do with any outdated workforce.
And it's not just the insurance companies. Hospitals have a lot of administrative staff that solely deal with insurance companies. They need to be transitioned as well.
Exactly. 1- the effect on the economy would be sizable and 2- even from a less selfish point of view it’s pure class solidarity. Everyone above those levels can get whatever crumbs are leftover at best
He had town halls where the moderator/interviewer asked him "why do people deserve healthcare?" like that wasn't a weird question. I think the better question would be to examine why the media accepted toxic ideas like "people don't deserve healthcare if they can't afford it" like it's common sense
aaron comes from the class of consultants that think that question is the killer of the m4a debate, because aaron is a barely sentient consoooomer of cnn 24/7
Well, actually, Mr. Rupar, you have not yet heard the concepts PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump has, so how do you know. He said he'll start talking to Congress concepts and plans on day one when he'll take his Presidential Wand and give us all ACA, *not* stupid Is Obamacare!
Or they just didn't care. It's clear that many voters didn't even try to look at any policy around this election.
And there's a price to being lazy and not doing any homework: you fail and you have to do all the work again. We're going to have to go back and fix a lot of the fuckups coming up.
Would've been nice if she didn't react to every time someone confronted her with having more openly progressive positions in her 2020 campaign by vaguely gesturing at her values not changing
The party which passes
#Medicare4All is the party which will capture the majority support for a generation.
If it's Repubs - and it very well could be, fascist nations do #UniversalHealthcare
too - then the support will go to a racist, bigoted, misogynist part
Sorry, that doesn't go far enough. Universal healthcare, student loan forgiveness, free or at least affordable higher education, stop allowing corporations to buy up all the housing, break up monopolies, etc.
Yeah but our lawmakers make millions of the healthcare lobbyist so why would they consider how bad a trifecta will hurt everyday Americans and shitty insurance deciding whether you should get the procedure and go broke or hope and pray it’s nothing and avoid getting care.
Something has to bring the masses to consciousness. I think it will be several situations over the coming years, but "We're taking your healthcare and your social security" may just get that ball a rollin'.
TEN-YEAR REIGNING CHAMPION OF MISTER "NOW IS NOT A GOOD TIME FOR THIS DEBATE" PAGEANT SUDDENLY WONDERING RETROACTIVELY WHY NOBODY ENGAGED IN DEBATE BEFORE NOW
Agree, just seems like (*cough*) CERTAIN people did not Realize This Was a Thing until there was open murder. Suggests the hill was always stupidly steep.
I wish we would organize, fund, flood the zone and message as effectively as those evil fucks. It’s so sad to have such disdain for my fellow Americans, but I’m trying to be empathetic, I really am. Try to tell myself they’re brainwashed by right wing hate media, but damn this shit still stings🤷♂️
exactly, this is Biden/Harris' legacy of failure, and that they failed to present a convincing alternative to Trump and MAGA Republicans. Now the whole world will suffer because of their failures.
No. While door knocking, magats 100% bought all tfg's lies. He was speaking the truth, was for them and going to return their lives to the mythical eden when he was last Pres. I was lying (about fact), Harris/Walz were evil, etc. H/W talked about these issues all the time but MSM wouldn't report it.
It’s more about the sane-washing of a criminal by the news media and the billions of dollars Felonia spent to buy the election rather than the ‘legacy of failure’ by Biden/Harris. It’s hard to beat cheaters-just sayin’. The ignorance of many-and here we are! FAFO-Buckle up..it won’t be pretty!
well, that depends. is the issue the state of healthcare itself? or is the issue the fact that people upset about healthcare didn’t stop the republicans?
Democrats claim to speak for the left, and refuse to fight for the left. Republicans claim to speak for the right and have moved steadily further to the right. Why are you proposing leftists should be trying to engage with Republicans on this issue instead of Democrats?
It's not a serious proposal, I'm trying to shake people out of this left vs libs framework and acknowledge the 50+ GOP Senators who don't even have to pretend to speak for the left
Yeah that's definitely the case to an extent, but I think it almost works against Democrats by making people think the whole thing is a lot closer to a political reality that they're just barely not putting enough effort into solving
Realistically it's probably more like 30-35 Dem Senators in favor, 15-20 against that don't want to be blamed, and then like 50 GOP senators proudly against
Yeah sucks to suck. Better luck next time, don’t support a genocide dummy! Joe at least gets to forget all of this every night when he goes to bed, wakes up brand new
They are. They had a guy in 2016 and 2020 was basically The Healthcare Candidate and they did everything in their power to keep that out of the general election. On this particular issue, they're actually more responsible than the GOP, who did not have a similar opportunity.
I mean they are, they actively shot down the guy pushing it the hardest and refused to do more than the most watered down, limon wristed gesture towards it when they had power
Again I'm not sure why we're looking past the 50+ GOP senators who are outright like "lmao not a fucking chance." Like to hear some of you tell it Bernie should have just ran as a Republican
I bring up the GOP because 100% of their caucus is openly against universal healthcare and yet somehow Democrats get all the blame because they're not 100% for it
Also their biggest electoral victory was from a guy pushing it pretty hard (even if he ultimately compromised and subsequently did worse the next election)
that was meant as kind of tongue in cheek but it really was wild to see the Dems get more organized than they've ever been in order to specifically knife the m4a guy
and sure, the GOP would kill it because they're doctrinally committed to privatizing everything, but it's completely fair to identify the Dems as the more meaningful impediment because it's ostensibly consistent with their professed values and they still organized specifically against it
If Kamala had gone for Single Payer, she would have been called a Socialist and that would have hurt her fee-fees. But, if she had explained it with what we have heard this week--she might have won.
goddamn coward is what she is. she was already being called a "Marxist" and "radical leftist" in attack ads, if she wasn't a corporate ghoul of a cop she would've leaned into it instead of asskissing war criminals and Republicans
Well, maybe, just maybe, Dems will have learned their lesson about being corporatists and GOP-light. However, with so much $$ in politics, any progressive movement will have to be backed literally 'by the people' (like Bernie in 2016).
........and my MAGAt loving family wonders why I have been avoiding them.
yes, it would have been nice if the discussion had been, but this country seems destined to living under the constant threat of healthcare being luxury for only a few.
He was probably having the health care discussion, same as many other people who had an interest in the Democratic nomination (M4A lost). After health care reform failed to gain much traction in 2016 and 2020, it's no surprise to anyone it was on the back burner this year.
"failed to gain traction" you mean where polls showed it at like anywhere from 60%-80% public support yet literally none of the politicians save for a scant few had any interest in actually doing it because theyre all in the pockets of the healthcare lobby?
IMHO, Obamacare made healthcare worse. I voted for Obama twice. Insurance companies continue to enrich shareholders and the quaility of care has diminished. ALL politicians are corrupt. Campaign finance reform may be a good start but we need our corrupt politicians to implement it.
I agree it wasn't enough. Obama wanted better, but was shut down by Repubs b/c he was trying 2 "work with them," which we all know just isn't possible anymore, but it did give us coverage 4 preexisting conditions, let kids stay on parents' insurance till 26, & expanded Medicaid & Medicare.
Attempt to fix the issues while still keeping the insurance industry happy. Upsides: extending kids' coverage to age 26; pre existing fix; more people get covered. Downside? It's NOT affordable. I'm on Medicare but my younger husband pays $600/m w/ $4K ded.
Obamacare is not perfect, but it was an achievable improvement. Anything that would have actually competed with the US healthcare mafia would have failed. Like “Medicare for all”, for example.
B/c the industry is so profitable 4 these assholes, I truly believe if they got wind of any Congress member proposing free Healthcare 4 all AND having the votes 2 pass it, the big insurance corps would start hiring hitmen 2 take everybody out. That's how badly they want 2 keep their blood-soaked 💰
Read about it. It was the best President Obama could do. He had a republican Congress who vowed they would stop him from doing anything at all.
John McCain was the vote that enabled the ACA.
Do you remember what healthcare was like before ACA? Let me tell you: it was worse. And, it will be again.
How else do you keep premiums down if not increasing the risk pool? If you disallow denial and don't require coverage, people will only sign up once they're sick. Only way around that is everyone to be in some risk pool. Government or private.
One way to get rid of premiums would be to eliminate them altogether. Another acceptable but less good option would be to have a public option so that there's an option to get health insurance without a corporation siphoning out as much money as they can get away with
System would've been way sinpler with just government insurance, but look how difficult this was to pass. All government insurance would've been resisted even harder. Anyway my only point is even if not perfect this is better than before.
The fact that they found a way to look at this that functions as plausible deniability if you don't look too hard at it just shows how good they are at this
It was difficult to pass because they never really tried. The Democrats wanted a system that would hand over more customers to the people that fund their campaigns.
Aaron, I'm asking you this in good faith, do you remember at all when leftists have been talking about Medicare for All and things of that nature since at LEAST Bernie's first run? Do you remember them saying that the ACA didn't go far enough? Does any of this ring any bells?
You are beyond worthless and are now a threat to the general intelligence of this website. Delete your account and if you have any honor - you know what to do
Nobody who voted for Trump cared. They have consistently proven themselves willing to vote against their own interests as long as “THOSE people” get hurt worse.
We fought to put MedicareForAll on the 2016 DNC Platform, and both the party and Clinton blocked us. We gave Dems the "blue wave" in 2018 in part due to M4A, and Dems blocked it. Biden told us all to fuck off on healthcare after we gave Dems Congress and the White House.
To rephrase: McCain followed his conscience & defied the GOP party line on that ACA vote. Is there a Republican alive today with the guts to do the same?
To be clear, "we" didn't give a trifecta to the gop, our leaders did, by refusing an arms embargo during a genocide. The same leaders who refused to back M4A, and a president who said he would veto it if it passed congress.
Also slow walked any kind of legal consequences for an insurrection by putting a person extremely unqualified for the office as attorney general as some fucked up consolation prize
To give one counter example, my husband is only alive due to Obamacare, which the Bernie bros rejected for not being perfect. Incremental progress saves people. Stop crapping on it.
Don't get me wrong, Obamacare was absolutely a positive development, and Obama deserves a lot of credit for it. But it was also a half-measure. It wasn't what was promised, and there is so much more to do.
I'm glad we got what we got, but we shouldn't stop fighting for a more just system.
Yes, it was, but it saved people. It'd be a lot easier if we could agree on things like this. Most M4A types I've tried to talk with aren't interested in admitting the ACA did any good.
Look, two things can be true. ACA was the most consequential healthcare legislation in a generation and did a ton of good, but our healthcare system is such a horror show that it still isn't nearly enough. And we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
They wouldn't have won the election. Remember how Trump shushed the crowds about banning abortion? The MAGA Party picked up on that and changed their tune on most controversial topics. By the time the election rolled around, I thought they'd become Democrats!
The people who control the Democratic Party had that opportunity for eight years, particularly in 2016 and 2020, and decided they didn't want to have that conversation.
“Concept of a plan” and 9 years of promising to roll out his plan “in two weeks” seemed to be enough for MAGA. I see chickens coming home to roost shortly.
Unfortunately, we’re all going to be caught up in this s**t show, even though more than half the voters did not support the orange idiot. 🤦♀️
Very good chance that this is at least a partial response to that. When one loses even the hope that elected officials have their back, they’ve got nothing left but violence.
People have been trying to have this discussion since Bill Clinton was president. But all anyone hears is “death panels” and “someone else might get something for free when I’m paying to get it”.
We should give the UHC CEO what the children get after a school shooting, thoughts and prayers, kick some dirt on them, and keep kowtowing to the gun lobby.
The GOP is cultivating a climate where we will see more United Healthcare moments from people who have been pushed further to the margins by the GOP's lust for Money and Power. This isn't an endorsement - just prediction.
We did have it. The idiots just didn't listen. The nearly 2/3rds of vets who supported Trump also didn't listen their benefits would be cut. Etc., etc., etc.
There were clear signs, so let’s see. I doubt this next four years will favor the general public or the healthcare system. Sad days ahead, I’m afraid. :(
I tried I promise, but nobody would listen. Maybe one or two? Sadly, it seems that nobody will believe it until it happens. Personally that would be devastating for me as somebody on Social Security disability not only as a patient but to watch so many people suffer.
Remind the Dem leadership that we gave them the 2018 Blue Wave and put Dems in control of Congress and the White House in 2020, all the while with 65% of the public wanting government-funded universal healthcare. The Dems told us to fuck off.
That's why people stayed home in 2024. Vote Blue my ass.
Really, @lemancha.bsky.social? No universal healthcare? Gee, that must have been "Russian Wikileaks misinformation" plastered on fake websites for the candidates.
How, exactly, were candidates campaigning on COVID and food prices?
Did Joe Biden refuse to sign a bill offering government-funded universal healthcare or something? Or was that never a possibility with a Senate majority involving Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema?
The choices were between the ACA and 2009 status quo ante. It'll seem more compelling in a few months.
You can’t possibly be this ignorant, @useyourwords.bsky.social. Biden gave Pelosi and Schumer clearance to keep it from ever coming up for a vote. Go back to sleep.
I too want universal healthcare coverage but the closest path to it probably involves keeping the ACA in some form and raising the amounts and income limits for subsidies until everyone has it.
If you think ACA only holds us back from M4A, well, it may soon be gone.
It’s always such fun to watch you people try to pretend two senators managed to put the entire party in a chokehold, despite the fact that party leadership never did a single thing to put them in line. They were a convenient excuse to do nothing and you fell for it. Pathetic.
Party leadership can do little to modify a senator's voting behavior if they raise their own money, have no reason to fear a primary opponent, and/or have voters who oppose what the party wants.
Only Manchin ever had a shot at winning WV. Sinema knew she'd get primaried and did it anyway.
so why, in 2020, were you, instead of wanting to improve the healthcare system the only good way possible (m4a), why instead were you saying that M4a was a "russian plot"???
HRC constantly hammered the fact tht women’s reproductive care was on the chopping block in 2016, but nobody cared. Bernie called PP “establishment” so his followers did, too. Once these rights were tkn away, these same ppl screamed, “why weren’t we warned!” Looks like history is repeating itself. 🤦♀️
If Hillary actually wanted to defend women's reproductive rights then she should have dropped out of the race and let someone electable be the candidate.
I’m sick of the “Bernie woudda won” 💩 it came back full force 2024. These are the same ppl who protest voted for trump this time, too. Ignorance isn’t as hip as these leftists think it is.
yeah who wants to have popular policies or win elections? instead we should cheer the sabotage of the 2020 primary and the cognitively deficient genocidaire it ushered into office! great values
yes, the people who've been pushing for single payer healthcare for a decade are the reason we didn't improve our healthcare system in the last term.. not the people who take loads of health insurance cash, who've repeatedly said they won't improve our system
Ok, and then Hillary took ungodly amounts of money from Big Pharma and the insurance lobby, and wound up on the other side of the issue.. and somehow people who got none of that cash decided to follow her over to the wrong side.. and in 2024 we still have to talk about this for some reason?
Nobody on the left was confused about who Trump was, or what he was going to do with a 2016 win. It's way fewer 2016 Bernie primary supporters flipped to Trump than 2008 HRC supporters flipped to McCain.
You actually believe "protest votes" is what lost HRC the Midwest in 2016..
Not deciding not to campaign in those states.. not Bill Clinton having RANSACKED the entire region in the 90s, losing them as a Dem stronghold in the process.
Protest votes And you're sticking with that story 8 year later.
And polling showed that Bernie would have won in 2016. He picks up people that democrats typically ignore. Instead democrats wanted to try and get well off folks to vote for them. They have said that this is their strategy explicitly and it keeps failing.
That is a minority of voters that are typically conservative working class, and the non committed movement was generally based on the refusal to move on Israel Palestine issue. Most Bernie folks voted for kamala. 100% of the people I have camvassed with in the past 3 elections voted kamala.
Well, I hope those “uncommitted” pro-Pallies enjoy the Armageddon Trump intends to rain down on Gaza and “Palestine.”
Now Abbas Allawieh, Uncommitted’s spokesman & election delegate, is begging Biden “to do something” to protect them from Mike Huckabee before Trump takes office!
It's also good to note that a lot of republican voters in the working class good Ole Bernard. For his policy... which Indicates that an adoption of even a little of his policies would win you votes. Instead you insist we appeal to the white suburban voter
People are suffering and you just want us to get over it. Tell us how you don't need us in the party. But that's fine. We don't have to vote for you guys.
Yeah that is absurd. Keep brow beating the working class and you will continue to lose. Kamala appealed to the middle class, kinda. She didn't make appeals to the left. And I'm sorry but we are the ones working your ground game typically. Yall made it really hard to argue for the platform....
What bullshit! Harris nor Biden were pushing extreme leftest ideas or policies. Voters were mad, rightly or wrongly, for other reasons but that isn’t one of them.
Wedge issues are typically a distraction. As it was made up. Democrats should run with other winning policy in tandem with abortion being an obvious thing we support. I have canvassed for planned parenthood for several campaigns, and it's not an issue that's going to win elections outright.
American voters, more often than not, have a really bad habit of not thinking things through when they vote. They will learn the hard way over the next four years.
The fact Joe ran on the public option and did not utter a word about it after winning is probably a good chunk of the reason why democrats handed Trump a trifecta.
There is nothing left to talk about. They voted for an old senile grandpa screaming that people are eating cats and dogs. If they accept that, there is nothing you can tell them. They'll find out the hard way. Just like US.
That wasn’t the issue. Anesthesiologists are a cartel and they pad their hours all of the time. The insurance company was standing up to the cartel and the cartel put out the narrative everyone swallowed.
They're giving off the impression right now as Dems = covert GOP with rainbow pastel attire. The fact that the Dems have all but capitulated to the GOP is really alarming.
yeah I mean you could talk more shit on all the people who supported Sanders in the primaries in '16 and '20 instead of talking about universal healthcare, wouldn't that be a better use of your time
There seemed to be almost zero attention from dems about health care policy. Shouldn't have taken an act of violence to demonstrate that this is one of the most important issues to voters and everyone else.
Bernie is talking up a storm
But his fellow democrats get too much money from the health care industry. Given the anger shown private insurance companies this the perfect time to have a debate of national healthcare insurance. Esp before private equity buys more companies and makes hc worse!
We expect results from this trifecta party! We expect healthcare for every American from trump & republicans. He promised better lives-let’s hold him accountable
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This country doesn't care!
M4A is a concrete policy, not my fault if you failed to educate yourself about it.
https://bsky.app/profile/jennannemiller.bsky.social/post/3lcj4eq46bc25
The whole process was so stressful, and you feel so sick every second 🤯
https://www.threads.net/@jennannemiller/post/DDaG62hpCuU?xmt=AQGzDAdDqX-1i8apM03F1Syvvk8_B_6dmpnYRkHeTsoOtA
... in shame
I literally never got above a 2 percent raise even as we made billions for the shareholders and I got all fives on evaluations...
Ask UHC how many jobs have been off shored.
Workers barely make min wage.
It sucks that we're all just finding out that this is bad right now.
You're just dunking on "the idea of healthcare"
Come on, man. You're not slick.
Lol
Project 2025’s blueprint included both for disruption. ⌛️
People instead downplayed the risk & the potential damage.
Apply this and dump 45.
South Korea did it in one night...
Where have *you* been?
We are soooooo fucked......
Democrats spent far too much time, effort & money focused on both female and trans issues.
I understand that they are important topics, but pale into insignificance when compared to grassroots issues which affect all Americans.
Sadly, the cost of living was given a back seat.
No they fucking didn't.
That is a fake-ass media narrative that too many people fell for.
There is no compromise with for-profit insurance. M4A cannot work if theres a separate for-profit system. It's universal payer and unemployed (but alive) CEOs or things are just gonna get worse (for the sick, disabled, or vulnerable).
This hi how the CEOs life could have been saved.
And it's not just the insurance companies. Hospitals have a lot of administrative staff that solely deal with insurance companies. They need to be transitioned as well.
And there's a price to being lazy and not doing any homework: you fail and you have to do all the work again. We're going to have to go back and fix a lot of the fuckups coming up.
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary?id=D000000348
Because of racist sexist white people, dipass.
And how's President Bernie doing?
The party which passes
#Medicare4All is the party which will capture the majority support for a generation.
If it's Repubs - and it very well could be, fascist nations do #UniversalHealthcare
too - then the support will go to a racist, bigoted, misogynist part
#Healthcare
#ACA
Maybe clipping Harris from time to time instead of Trump 24/7 would have helped.
Why bring up the gop? They said no so that means Dems gotta stop fighting for it? Are they political parties or are the Republicans the Democrats dad?
yes, it would have been nice if the discussion had been, but this country seems destined to living under the constant threat of healthcare being luxury for only a few.
smh
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/09/29/increasing-share-of-americans-favor-a-single-government-program-to-provide-health-care-coverage/
He won't see a doc as he's cheap. Bad.
Obamacare abolished using pre-existent conditions as a pretext for denying coverage.
For that alone, it’s a major improvement.
But it also tremendously expanded Medicaid eligibility.
Are you not old enough to remember insurance before Obamacare?
John McCain was the vote that enabled the ACA.
Do you remember what healthcare was like before ACA? Let me tell you: it was worse. And, it will be again.
Yeah, you can stick this sideways.
And then Biden NEVER mentioning it again
🤷♂️
Neither party was going to do jack for health policy for US and we all know it
We’re right and they’re wrong but it was rigged against us.
We fought to put MedicareForAll on the 2016 DNC Platform, and both the party and Clinton blocked us. We gave Dems the "blue wave" in 2018 in part due to M4A, and Dems blocked it. Biden told us all to fuck off on healthcare after we gave Dems Congress and the White House.
It's why this man's death is being celebrated. Because many don't see any other avenues for change at this point.
Bet they hear us now.
I'm glad we got what we got, but we shouldn't stop fighting for a more just system.
Look, two things can be true. ACA was the most consequential healthcare legislation in a generation and did a ton of good, but our healthcare system is such a horror show that it still isn't nearly enough. And we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
https://bsky.app/profile/weedlordbonerchamp.hellthread.vet/post/3lcl64keifs26
Multiple times.
Unfortunately, we’re all going to be caught up in this s**t show, even though more than half the voters did not support the orange idiot. 🤦♀️
💙🦋💙
Explains a lot.
Exploring Plan B.
Already have a “green card” in another country, goal is dual citizenship.
Word to wise: You can’t just waltz in & move to ANY country you want.
MUCH more complicated than that.
That's why people stayed home in 2024. Vote Blue my ass.
How, exactly, were candidates campaigning on COVID and food prices?
The choices were between the ACA and 2009 status quo ante. It'll seem more compelling in a few months.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/biden-says-he-wouldd-veto-medicare-for-all-as-coronavirus-focuses-attention-on-health.html
It took most of the first two years for Congress to get infrastructure off the ground and that was a lot less contentious than M4A would have been.
I too want universal healthcare coverage but the closest path to it probably involves keeping the ACA in some form and raising the amounts and income limits for subsidies until everyone has it.
If you think ACA only holds us back from M4A, well, it may soon be gone.
Only Manchin ever had a shot at winning WV. Sinema knew she'd get primaried and did it anyway.
I also remember Bernie calling abortion rights “a hangup” and “a distraction.”
And our party leaders and the media still listen to that asshole.
Nobody on the left was confused about who Trump was, or what he was going to do with a 2016 win. It's way fewer 2016 Bernie primary supporters flipped to Trump than 2008 HRC supporters flipped to McCain.
But... narratives.
Good luck with that.
Flapping your yap and spoiling elections with your juvenile “protest votes” accomplished worse than nothing: the first election of Donald Trump.
Not deciding not to campaign in those states.. not Bill Clinton having RANSACKED the entire region in the 90s, losing them as a Dem stronghold in the process.
Protest votes And you're sticking with that story 8 year later.
He lost the 2020 primary by 10 million votes.
Not even Democrats wanted him.
And he burned a lot of bridges in the process of his crashing failures.
Bernie will never be president of anything but the Shady Homes Pinochle Club.
Accept it.
Now Abbas Allawieh, Uncommitted’s spokesman & election delegate, is begging Biden “to do something” to protect them from Mike Huckabee before Trump takes office!
We shed loyal base voters like baby teeth in this election.
Kamala was too far out of touch with mainstream voters because Biden-Harris have tried too hard to please you.
Harris's campaign explicitly focused on trying to win over Republicans.
/s
Michael Moore tried to spark the discussion. But know one cared enough
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PA3kETvUXJg
All this incident did is unleash the rage people feel about our health care non-system.
Points for the first Democrat who speaks up.
They don't even have to mention the murder of the CEO. They can address that greedy attempt to limit our access to anesthesia.
Reporting about polls was more important
/s, kind of
But his fellow democrats get too much money from the health care industry. Given the anger shown private insurance companies this the perfect time to have a debate of national healthcare insurance. Esp before private equity buys more companies and makes hc worse!
Now, of course, the real question: Are Americans evem smart enough to notice if all those things get worse? Lol