Do you have to show medical records to prove you have a closed head injury to get an OpEd job at @nytimes.com or do they hire you and then hit you over the head with wooden mallets until it takes.
Do we have to do an ableism at every turn? I know you're joking and trying to dunk on the dippiest of shits, but as a person with epilepsy from a TBI, I'm asking you to find another way. Please and thanks for your consideration of our humanity. We need all the help we can get.
Just have to prove you're a fascist nazi putin puppet, I wonder if you have to lick putin's taint in the interview process or of its just some random nazis taint.
Cannot stress enough how much "But after this he goes on to make a reasoned argument" replies are missing the point!
You do not get Rhetoric Points for making an argument after you open it with a premise that's just your own conclusion, using a demonstrably false statistic from Ron DeSantis!
"After this" he describes the benefit of immigration as being when he gets to eat Vietnamese fusion, which is a pretty wild thing to say considering most immigrants turn to the food industry because there's few other opportunities available. The benefit, to Applebaum, is they sell him cheap treats.
I assume the report is paywalled market research, so just give a title/date ffs. Otherwise it's just “trust Goldman Sachs, and also trust our presentation of Goldman Sachs.” Made unverifiable for no apparent reason.
Professional standards within journalism re citation are such a joke
There’s a sizeable Vietnamese population in Czechia stemming from the Soviet era so this fusion cuisine has nothing to do with America at all, making this already incomprehensible + racist argument even more stupid.
The argument is indeed racist and incomprehensible and very, very stupid, but the fusion of Czech and Vietnamese is distinctly South Texas, and is much older than the four year time frame he mentions..
You might want to survey the area between Point Fourchon and Cameron parish before being quite so strident.
Kolaches came to Texas from the hill country, which is distinctly not Houston. Vietnamese came from Vietnam, which may have had some mysterious outmigration about 50 years ago.
The banh mi is one of the greatest things humans have ever produced and only exists because of colonialism. Voluntary immigration seems like a far more humane approach to culinary creativity.
And Czechs came to Texas in the 19th century. They are just a rural population that was able to hold on to their traditions easier and bless us with things like kolaches.
I guess I was the only one to look the article up to find out what the author's argument actually was and ummm it doesn't appear to exist? Not a great look to keep this up if it does turn out to be misinfo
US actions in Central America aren’t entirely dissimilar from our actions in Southeast Asia, although I will stipulate that the precise mechanisms by which Monsanto harmed local food production are distinct in those two cases.
I also wouldn't describe the French invasion as anywhere near voluntary. It's strange that they setup a fantastic premise for by fusion cuisines can be great, then decided to step all over it lol
I think it's supposed to tell us that he's not a xenophobic or nationalist, he swears that he doesn't mind immigration. That way, he can pretend his anti-immigrant opinion is based not in bigotry, but a process objection.
Great editorial, and timely too, what with all these people flooding in from God knows where! We're going to run it on the front page of the New York Times here in 1939.
You're going to go far, Mr. [checks notes] Binyamin Appelbaum.
I think the word you're looking for is "bullsh*t".
Note to @nytimes.com: Kolache are always sweet (e.g., jam-filled or fruit-filled), never savory. If a kolach contains meat, then it is NOT a kolach; it's a pig-in-blanket, an empanada, or a meat pie. #WordsMatter #StopMiseducation
There's kind of an anglerfish energy to the first + second paragraphs; dangling "fun melting-pot food combinations" to lure you into reading "frothing mad anti-immigrant crap"
How do you write a blanket statement that "most" of the 8 million people that settled here did so unlawfully, and not think you need to back it up in any way?
Is there a paragraph or two missing between the first and second paragraph? Because for the life of me I cannot see the link between the assertions in the first paragraph and those in the second.
I mean I *think* he intends for the first paragraph to be his premises and the first sentence of the next paragraph to be his conclusion. "You can get stuff in the US from faraway lands; therefore we aren't keeping our population sufficiently pure."
1. is credited to the editorial board, not to a particular writer;
2. mentions beef pho kolaches being in Houston, but does not include this text;
3. contains text similar in spirit to the second paragraph, but not the actual text.
So, what is he trying to say? Is this person advocating against deliciousness?
Also, with the bar this low for content, would the NYT hire me for my dumb opinions? I have several, and will happily write them down for a living wage.
The only way these 2 paras make sense is if Appelbaum is channeling General Jack Ripper and is worried about a conspiracy to impurify our precious kolache fluids.
"Cultural fusion produces amazing things that enrich the lives of all, now here's why we should drive all immigrants into the sea." is one hell of a rhetorical opener
In Albuquerque New Mexico, a vendor sells Polla a la brass stuffed Scottish pies. We must electrify the border until we can put an end to this madness.
Either way an average of two million people either coming here for school or work temporarily or becoming citizens is complete bullshit. The government naturalizes 1 million citizens a year from what I can tell and there are about 500,000 student visas issued a year.
So that's six million legal migrants/immigrants before you get to work permits, temporary asylum orders, etc. A marketing guy shitposting on Bsky should not be better at this than an NYT writer or his editor.
You would think so, but the writers there are very bad, have a clear RW ideological slant, and will manufacture interviews to support that bias, no matter how often they're called out on it, all the while being reviled by the right wingers whose asses they're kissing.
That.. is some serious whiplash, and like...dreadful writing.
If i'd turned in an essay in jr high that switched gears that violently between the intro and the first paragraph, it would have come back with a 0% on it.
All I get from this is that he thinks there either isn’t enough Czechs and Vietnamese or too many of them, but the government better figure that out. I think we need more of both. They sound like they got food down.
Like, different cultures joining forces to produce super foods sounds rad as hell. I thought he was going somewhere cool with this after the first para but nope.
I have the feeling that the only way the NYT could get these idiots to agree to write for them is if the NYT promised to never edit or fact check their work.
But don't worry, the Times is going to be engaged in lots of accountability journalism-- exempted is their own accountability in clearing the way for American fascism.
How much do you wanna bet Applebaum’s ancestors came here as refugees within the last 120 years? It’d be fun to overlay his anti-immigrant claptrap with anti-immigrant screeds from the 1910s inveighing against Jewish immigration.
My husband's grandma immigrated from Sicily, and all she had to do for the rest of her life was go to the post office once a year and confirm she was still at the same address.
The neck-breaking swerve between paragraphs one and two makes this read as though written by two different people. The first likes food, and thinks that unexpected combinations of national cuisines - only in America! - can result in deliciousness.
I've seen plenty of bad opinion articles, especially from NYT, but very few that contain such blatant "here's why not being racist is bad for the Commonwealth" styled lies. This is nutty and will hopefully be ridiculed out of existence.
Far too many opinion article writers are trying to portray racism and bigotry of all kinds as worthwhile intellectual realms to pontificate on and within.
Immigration is what humans do... this mixing of cultures happens and happened all over the world with clothes, food, language and more. None of it is new or an "American" thing
And then- food combinations as an analogy for immigration? That's a bit of a stretch...obviously people like pho kolaches, or the restaurant would not still be open; just because he cant wrap his brain around it doesnt mean it isnt a thing.
JFC. What a dipshit. Kolaches have been a TX thing since the Germans & Czechs migrated & settled in TX in the 1800’s. Vietnamese migrated & settled in TX after the war, in the 1970’s. In Alvarado there was a restaurant, owned by a white guy, that served Mexican, Italian, Chinese & American food.
No shit. We probably shouldn’t tell him how Texans hijacked kolaches for sausages either. Those are staples in donut stores, which are commonly owned by people of Mexican or Chinese descent.
Agree. There’s got to be a certain amount of immigration per year that our country can absorb, Especially given our declining birth rates. And, 8mill sounds like a lot, but .5% sounds very doable.
-- cultural mash-ups are great!
-- see, I am pro-immigration!
-- now that we have established that I am neither racist nor anti-immigration, *some* kinds of immigration are bad!
he's essentially saying the mixing of cultures will lead to the downfall of western civilization, which is about as classic, old school white nationalist as you can get
I say this as a member of the tribe: how the actual fk does a guy named Binyamin denounce migration and cultural cross-contamination? Doesn't he understand where those ideas have traditionally led?
It’s as if the Jews had brought their bagels here and started spreading them with the cream cheese of New York dairy farmers. (Are the pho kolaches supposed to be a good or bad thing? I can’t tell)
They're supposed to be a good thing. He completely missed a transition between the first and second paragraphs. He's saying something like "immigration is good, but it's out of control"
Here is a link to the full column, along with an image that shows the paragraphs that follow those shown here and which argue against a Trump-style deportation policy and in favor of increased immigration.
this is like that guy arguing about jacking it on the subway revealing five skeets in that he doesn't actually agree with the premise, being that obtuse is a choice
Yes, it seems to change the entire meaning of what Appelbaum is saying, which strikes me as unfair. The person who posted the cut-off version (not post malone ergo propter malone!) blocked me after I provided a link to the full opinion essay, which I thought was . . . interesting.
It's actually a classic writing style. You learn it right after the class where they talk about spending your intro paragraph talking about how your ideas and values are antithetical to those of your country and the parts of it that are good.
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Now they are The Voice Of Power
There have always been people willing to take that job, no head injuries required
Cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre
You do not get Rhetoric Points for making an argument after you open it with a premise that's just your own conclusion, using a demonstrably false statistic from Ron DeSantis!
The ”% unauthorized” stat is cited to “a Goldman Sachs report based on government data”🤪
It is absurd to make quantitative sociological claims that are central to your arg without even giving a title for the source, never mind a hyperlink.
Professional standards within journalism re citation are such a joke
In some ways, libs' current admission that they simply don't care about policy and want Orange Man to be quieter is better.
Open head injuries count too.
https://houston.eater.com/maps/best-kolaches-klobasniks-breakfast-houston#:~:text=Possibly%20one%20of%20Houston's%20most,is%20one%20to%20visit%20for.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HoustonFood/s/cuNlPp5GmI
https://bsky.app/profile/ericlipton.nytimes.com/post/3lfkuyqv5xk2b
- 2MM/yr is .6% of the population. Is that bad, given a 1% mortality rate and a declining birth rate? What are we even talking about here.
- "Most" came illegally? How many?
I wonder what all the Germans and Czechs on the West Bank of the Mississippi before the civil war think of old Apple Wood’s dumb conclusions here.
Kolaches came to Texas from the hill country, which is distinctly not Houston. Vietnamese came from Vietnam, which may have had some mysterious outmigration about 50 years ago.
And Czechs came to Texas in the 19th century. They are just a rural population that was able to hold on to their traditions easier and bless us with things like kolaches.
You're going to go far, Mr. [checks notes] Binyamin Appelbaum.
Sincerely,
Arthur Hays Sulzberger
Note to @nytimes.com: Kolache are always sweet (e.g., jam-filled or fruit-filled), never savory. If a kolach contains meat, then it is NOT a kolach; it's a pig-in-blanket, an empanada, or a meat pie. #WordsMatter #StopMiseducation
The fallacy known as Begging the Question.
What is he blathering about?
That’s why we must round them up and put them in camps.
He wants big government to protect him from weird food?
I do believe there are potential problems, but this is not an emergency, and it's obviously a net positive.
“pathetic”
Has he seen his own name??
That handle got dredged out of the very bottom of the melting pot.
See, @ericlipton.nytimes.com ? This crap is why people are running away from the NYT.
Like, the first paragraph works AGAINST whatever this guy’s thesis is supposed to be.
1. is credited to the editorial board, not to a particular writer;
2. mentions beef pho kolaches being in Houston, but does not include this text;
3. contains text similar in spirit to the second paragraph, but not the actual text.
What on earth?
Also, with the bar this low for content, would the NYT hire me for my dumb opinions? I have several, and will happily write them down for a living wage.
It’s like that old joke: You know how you can tell when a MAGAT or right winger is lying?
Their lips are moving.
They will lie to support their lies, politics, policies, and actions.
*Unlike the previous four years, which, also for reasons obvious to us, were fine and we feel we need more of that
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/foreign-born-population.html
Which of course only tracks documented cases but is still fairly interesting/informative.
Just absolutely pathetic shit.
If i'd turned in an essay in jr high that switched gears that violently between the intro and the first paragraph, it would have come back with a 0% on it.
Did AI write this? This is just stupid.
i bet this makes sense if you're super racist but we aren't the target audience...?
If you're THAT Ed, I am so happy to find you here! I've missed your commentary ever since I quit Facebook.
I'm not sure the second writer is human.
Where'd he get the number?
Paper of record my fat ass.
And then- food combinations as an analogy for immigration? That's a bit of a stretch...obviously people like pho kolaches, or the restaurant would not still be open; just because he cant wrap his brain around it doesnt mean it isnt a thing.
Most of whom are too lazy to make decent kolaches anymore.
And the best donuts are from Shipleys, which is largely run by Vietnamese immigrants.
White people are lazy.
But if you’re referring to his second paragraph, it isn’t even an argument. It’s an assertion (and a non sequitur to boot)
This opinion writer wants to deport all Vietnamese people instead. Or something like that.
-- cultural mash-ups are great!
-- see, I am pro-immigration!
-- now that we have established that I am neither racist nor anti-immigration, *some* kinds of immigration are bad!
Still glad I took the screengrab though, now that they're altering the piece on the fly to make the lede less horrible!
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/TY_sample.html
https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/TY_sample.html?action=click&module=nl-index-see-the-latest
We want beef pho kolaches to be available. Immigration is good.
Also the place that serves those kolaches is called Koffeteria and it's very good
And the guy who runs that place, not surprisingly, was born in Houston
I grew up in a place where 'pasta' meant spaghetti and canned sauce.
absolutely bless immigration for saving me from that shit
i feel i should read more to understand, but luckily i have better sense than that
Enquiring minds want to know!
I'm guessing it was IMMIGRATION!