What are we DOING here? We're just meant to sit and act like this insane plagiarism and climate threat that requires more money than anything has ever cost is worth it? Are we meant to pretend that ChatGPT is worth this aimless, meaningless destruction of capital and our environment? For what?
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Yeah I need way more money than anyone ever got before. I need it because my shit is difficult right now. But it's important in ways even I haven't been able to work out. OpenAI is a serious business. Help me. Please help me please my serious company is so good. Help me
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And that’s before they settle any plagiarism court cases, which will be a drop in the bucket compared to the costs of just running the thing.
All the rest of that, and all of us, are nothing but collateral damage.
I swear all this is an invasion by extraterrestrials who are looking to terraform earth into a greenhouse planet, and suckered humanity into doing it to ourselves.
Mortality is in our faces, and so is the desperation to avoid it.
Even if they believed the original hype, it should be obvious by now that it's going to be years before it's really useful and profitable, then a lot longer to repay base investment let alone hit any sort of ROI
(They've all got problems but copilot seems to go all out there.)
That were duly ignored in their blind clamour to deploy it.
No consent of data subjects, no thought for retention & unnecessary duplication.
Just “it’s the future, we must use it”!
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https://bsky.app/profile/runningsignal.com/post/3leckqis2es2p
economy. No growth seen and your latest invention is massively deflationary.
But I agree that AI is madness.
“but their customers aren’t profitable??” doesn’t seem to get priced in 🤷♂️
the only thing it's going to revolutionize is the workforce when they fire EVERYONE and then basically contract out all the work for like half pay and twice the worker precariousness
The goal seems to be to centralize capital and basically bring back feudalism.
Open AI, Google etc take a hit there to lead the race.
History predicts quite the opposite.
How can these AI folks ask for money every time? Is this the Star Citizen of tech?
Even if we consider DLSS a generative AI (I genuinely would not), that's not what people mean when they use the term.
ChatGPT, Dall-E, Sora is the stuff people think off:
AI you can tell to generate something for you.
But please, let's throw more money at this crap.
I am concerned about the knee-jerk condemnation of it, from, I assume, political associations.
It has flaws and sometimes shit , but it can do things in seconds that would take an hour before for those jobs. And the accuracy isn’t super needed there either
it doesn't *do* anything of value. customers aren't asking for LLM slop.
Seems like it would be profitable considering the images are low ress and if it's completely busted it can be refreshed.
AI is the latest IT fad.
AI sexbots will push the industry forward. Porn has been the cutting edge ever since the invention of the printing press.
Or worse, the emperor's new clothes scenario where everybody has bought in and even after their foolishness is exposed to all, they still pretend like nothing happened
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity
BUT - it is becoming a tool of choice for quite a number of agents of discord.
Other companies can weather ai failing, but they have no other plans for what the "next big thing" is so they go with ai until someone thinks of the new "big thing".
The whole thing is just nuts.
Even if AI was AMAZING and brilliant, blowing up our energy and environment and climate and water is an insane choice.
I gave up any hope against ChatGPT, G-AI, and their bullshit
If you think this is laughably high, it’s maybe because it is a serious issue, not because you find it funny.
https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about
If you gave even the faintest shit about climate change and human rights, you would care about fast fashion 10 times before AI.
But see, it’s not because the house is on fire that we should lit the shed in the backyard.
Now maybe you should give the faintest shit about humans and the planet you’ll leave for the next generations. Or are you too afraid to loose your comfort to even try to push back on anything?
Your hatred of tech is leaving the planet to die.
Do you still not get it? Do you need a detailed water bill of every request sent?
It’s not a single time use of a big amount of water, it’s constant.
Profit.
Too much of America worships the idea of profit.
Either you need AI with better predictive algos, or your AI has a mitochondrial fault that AI itself isn't aware of
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If anything, I am convinced all of the investment in AI is solely a tactic to try and drive down the cost of labor.
It costs energy.
All the energy.
And lives.
Communities.
Nature.
Heck, it costs multiple earths in perpetuity.
It costs, and money is just not fit to measure …
Come on people!
You underestimate what prices people will pay for convenience, or the perception of convenience. Look at cars.
No?
Hopefully the same will eventually be true for ports, industrial zones, hydrogen & carbon capture facilities, airports (eg for sustainable fuel)
Not just the cloud companies but firms like Digital Bridge & Equinix, likely in partnership with existing energy firms & industrial specialists
Definitely a worthy goal
We need both more compute & more (clean) energy
Initially we’ll see use of existing nuclear assets (eg 3 Mile Island, and *maybe* Germany if Merz wins)
Then there’s a ton of tech infracos looking at SMRs with a 10-year view, subject to planning, certing etc
May see places like on-land military bases first
ALL OF US!
So you want people to give you money so you can use that money to steal from others.
1) Create a product that does something useful and then convince 1 million people to buy it.
2) Create a a whole lot of hype for a product does nothing and then convince 100 venture capitalists to invest in it.
You are going to be very very embarrassed in a few years when you see what we do with these tools.
Find a business case. One.
Love the misinformation plastered at the top of every search I do now, however /s
Never has this GIF been more appropriate.
I speak with human customers daily and they HATE getting best-approximate-fit half-answers from untrained people. They’ll loathe AI. Resist enshittifcation.
It's basically a new demand I use it at work. Oh wow a shitty auto-complete worse than the plain IDE auto-complete. Now our code is high quality™️!
You know what I did when nvidia started blowing up selling gpu chips? I bought quantum stock, because this shit is
None of this ai tech is able to operate within consumer products, imagine giving a program access to your os root? It's an insane security concern
DuckDuckGo solves the first problem, but not the second.
we need to segue from the shock to the plan
and that plan cannot include the dem leadership that let it all happen in slow motion over twenty years
What is new, is that the bag will crash the entire global economy.
Why won't you ever think of the capitalists 🥺
The share holders are in a panic frenzy 24/7.
They WILL invent a thing, force the peg in the hole and make it happen.
It’s their “moon shot.”
They got nothing else coming cuz limits a physics and all that.
We’ve all seen how this movie ends
☢️☢️☢️
“Nuclear assets heat up” WSJ
If anything this has made the DoE reconsider using nuclear energy.
If people don’t like LLMs that’s fine, but trying to justify it saying it’s a waste of energy is dumb.
We waste energy and resources on things far less useful.
That’s all it is and always has been with every “disruptive” company.
Long term this shit won't last at all, but then, these people never could think long-term.
At this point, I’d be impressed if the art plagiarism even made INTERESTING images, not the overcooked, under-edited video game cutscene images they all seem to produce now
I've seen no evidence that AI will help to provide any of this.
Even the basic version offers round-the-clock expertise and instant explanation & clarification, benefiting students everywhere.
Especially up to 2nd level.
The real question is whether the benefits outweigh the costs.
But let's be honest about it. Every Encyclopedia and second level history book does the same thing.
This is just fully automated.
At least, as largely accurate as second-level educational texts and teachers.
This is the Wikipedia argument all over again.
1/
Yes, ChatGPT (in its raw form) can be inaccurate. But probably not out of range for second level teachers.
2/2
With Encyclopedias you have real humans doing real research and consulting real experts.
CGPT may make basic errors, but so do a lot of second and third level text books. So do a lot of teachers.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/are-they-taking-the-mick-its-the-encyclopedia-that-thinks-the-civil-war-was-between-the-north-and-south/27940930.html
At that point, if it's garbage that's coming out, it's probably on you.
My comment relates to the idea that there are no benefits to AI bots. The fact that someone in a war-torn country can learn coding or Korean in the absence of a teacher is a benefit.
1/
A student with dyslexia being able to have instant support structuring sentences, paragraphs & sections is a benefit.
2/
But the idea that there are no benefits - especially for the poor, the disabled & otherwise disadvantaged people - is pretty ridiculous.
3/3
It doesn't do that. I have a friend that works with dyslexic students. It hasn't helped in any way.
The benefits? Like the internet, Google, and calculators – but more personalised and faster.
As for declining attention spans, I think that has more to do with social media.
Is it even a real number or just some version of Infinity?
"... your frustration is valid. The constant push for technological advancement and economic growth often seems disconnected from the more immediate and existential issues we face as a species."
... Who here is "we"?
If there is intentional ideological subversion on one side, and our own desires are killing us on the other, how do we defend ourselves?”
How do we defend ourselves against hybrid chemical warfare-fuelled accelerationism?
https://www.mattgeorgem.com/p/the-case-against-accelerationism
I see a growing number of bloggers and authors ask if it’s awrong to use it and most replies are “no! I do it all the time!”
Only a few point out the horrible flaws and plagiarism issues
Which is worrying on a skyscraper worth of levels
Just hopefully not in my lifetime. I am getting on. I can always hope 😁
I’ve felt a big lawsuit would grab people’s attention, but most of us don’t have money to sue when someone/companies steal our content and ideas using it
These things are meant to have huge investments spread over time, but has all the money in the world and a lust for lawsuits.
I'd rather have an open AI over a right wing nut job's desire to control info
Every conversation about AI on here follows the same script: people dunking on it while proudly showing they don’t understand how it works.
This basically Jeff Gordon telling you your oil is low, and instead of listening, these folks are mocked or ignored in replies consistently. This isn’t a joke.
Does that profile look like a silicon valley tech bro?
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The reality is that neoliberal governments handed this entire sector to private corporations, which predictably prioritized profits over public good.
You ask, “What are we doing?” I’ll tell you: The left is wasting time.
What's truly mad is that there's still no leftist movement calling for...
I'm starting to get people pushing AI at work.
Sixtytwo-thousand four-hundred repetitions equals one truth, and they keep flogging it.
They're trying for full egregor.
Corridor Digital's second round of AI-assisted animation was an impressive use of the technology. It was trained to stylize on their own original artwork.
There IS value, but it's augmentation.
Kind of like back in the dotcom bubble where you would show up to a VC meeting with a few slides and walk with millions in financing. No product, just vibes, or maybe a shell of a product.
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Aren’t we doing that already? What with the crazy energy consumption and disinformation?
Our own sentience is apparently enough to do the job.
They're just afraid of being left behind.
There's a real possibility that generative AI will be commoditized, and profitless, for them.
In a functioning society, AI would be treated as a not for profit socialized utility. Hyper focused on solving societies shortcomings like sustainability, food, housing, healthcare etc.
An unregulated for profit AI industry is not good for anyone long term
When are the bailouts?
“What if we… don’t do that?🤔”
“…*ENRAGED SCREECHING*🤬”