Why are Trump supporters not wanted ? You dont have to follow them. You can block them. You can filter words. Don’t you want @bsky.app to have all perspectives ? I certainly do.
As long as it’s civil. Why not welcome different viewpoints ?
As long as it’s civil. Why not welcome different viewpoints ?
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I don't understand Trump supporters. Why come where you are not wanted. It's odd. Witness me syndrome in the worst way.
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all toxic people can go back to their little trash cans.
And this was a 70 year old friend of the family.
Never again.
It has been that very attitude that has pushed the electorate to record votes for Trump.
The longer the horde keeps that up, the more votes go to the right
I used to be a fundie Baptist. Went to a MAGA church. So I know damn well who these folks are and what they believe. They'll smile and smile while stabbing you in the back if you are one of "those people." Queer. Trans. A woman seeking an abortion. A science advocate. Etc.
We cannot tolerate intolerance.
https://medium.com/@parkermolloy/deconstructing-the-tolerance-paradox-why-conservatives-go-to-line-is-garbage-666a1bf04a65
Proponents can go elsewhere
People who use polite individual words to say those close to me should simply stop existing or at least never be seen in public are should still be shunned and stopped from spreading hate.
Deplatforming is effective in stopping the spread of radicalization. We should use it.
Billionaire fuck can go back to twitter imho.
are you being obtuse on purpose or just an idiot?
These people are not coming to this platform to be civil. They're coming to deliver death threats to their perceived enemies (mostly trans women).
I know you know this so I don't get why you're pretending it's not like that.
Also get on with @destiny.gg already Jeeze….
So if it gets nasty here some friendlier algos will be made by good souls and distributed
It’s not possible to reach a plane where dialogue can be positive or productive/ the politics and values clash
At a ballpark no problem/ serious discussion? Can’t be done
2 different ingrained cultures
FUCK.mAgA.
They have proven, time and again, that civil discourse is not what they’re interested in. We have no interest in continuing to oblige them.
We’re just carrying on the tradition.
Ask the Europeans about it. They know.
However, if we’re talking about normal old conservative, I don’t care. 😃
And this was a 70 year old friend of the family. Not some internet rando.
Never again.
A vote for Trump is inherently an uncivil action.
I have no issue hearing the other side, but it usually degrades to crazy trump/MAGA sane-washing and quoting misinformation quickly. That's when I block them. 9 years of this nonsense is enough, I've heard it all.
ARE
NAZIS
We need hope.
What viewpoint?
They have THEIR place, it was called Twitter and they fucking ruined it by turning it into Nazi Central.
Maybe you can only understand thru memes like your buddy Elon tho, so
They’re not here to be civil.
You can't civilly question people's right to exist. There's no such way to ask that as a civil question.
The "different viewpoint" I'm seeing most often is outright anti-trans trolling.
That's not a perspective that deserves a forum.
And note the daily decrease in the percentage of the popular vote that DT actually got, btw. No massive mandate (unless it was for Ds seeing that they have work to do)
Both sides are not the same.
We don’t disagree on policy. Other people’s right to exist and be left alone in their life choices is not up for discussion.
My bodily autonomy is not the governments or your business.
Or the right to say what happens with my body?
Or the rights of that gay couple to get married?
What ever happened to live and let live, or mind your own business?
Rights aren’t pie, more for them doesn’t mean less for you.
And that’s creepy and unsettling af.
Besides, proper defiancy requires you to know exactly what you’re dealing with.
Many do no play well with others.
What I said is I am trying to argue with people who have no intention of budging.
Have you heard the old adage of talking til blue in the face?
I’m done. We tried.
We got played by a bunch of hateful willfully ignorant shit heels, and misogynist Tate loving, Rogan sycophant “bros”.
Enough already.
They continue to support him because he creates a safe and inclusive place for their collective ignorance, unfounded and misplaced grievances, and their manufactured hate.
😂😂😂
Followed!
Most Americans live on soundbites and podcasters. The days of real reporters have past into history
Even if that were true, you maybe wonder why?
Every sincere, good faith Trump supporter I have ever met is working off a completely different view of reality.
They have lost the ability for rational thought. If they hadn’t… well, see above.
We don’t have to care why they’re in a cult to understand that they are.
Maybe the difference this time is that we’re not there to save them, and coddle them, and say, “there there, it’s okay.”
Put them in his path and let them face the consequences they have wrought.
He can never fail, only be failed
They'll never attribute these failures to trumpian policy, there will always be a scapegoat, brown people, trans people, gay people, etc.
They'll use that to push more & more punitive measures against those groups. We've seen it before, learn from it, please.
How is my government killing kids?
It appears you are oversimplifying things.
The problem Skippy is from the get-go you knew this monster was a viper and you still voted for him. Do you not see the conundrum?
Online, I found most trump voters dreadfully embroiled in vile meanness.
It always starts out well enough, but as soon as they perceived loss they start with the childish personal insults.
I'm done with them.
What he’s saying is theoretical, it’s not based on reality, unfortunately.
They literally want to put people in camps, talk about shooting who they want when they want, praise violence, and systemically oppress minorities.
You simply can’t convince me these people need to share space with those they’re targeting. We need reprieve.
Did people just up and forget internet trolls existed?
You guys aren't civil. This isn't a simple disagreement. You're hypocrites.
I don't think he should be welcome here.
40 scholars can be proven wrong by 1 fact. 1 fool can't be proven wrong by 40 facts.
I'm serious, what's a good faith or civil opinion that's held be the maga crowd that you think needs serious discussion or consideration by the rest of society?
Trumpers are not paying attention to material reality anymore and thus cannot have a civil conversation.
And some opinions are not civil no matter how you put them
Disgusting swine.
Hard pass, thanks.
Go Canes! Unless they're playing the Pens.
But also, let me know when you find a Donald supporter on social media that comes in civilly and with good faith.
MAGA's not interested in that.
When people show you who they are believe them. We believe them.
Until then it's a near literal red flag that good faith is flatly not on offer.
I also understand voting for those policies and platforms is an endorsement of them.
It is not REMOTELY good faith to claim you want to protect girls and women while simultaneously voting for a rapist and self admitted serial sexual assailant who bragged about going into the miss teen USA dressing room
Is this really controversial?
Is
Not
Civil,
Nor
Is
It
Good
Faith.
Blocking them is such a loss for The Discourse.
No matter how politely the latter is phrased, no matter how civil the presentation, that is w repugnant opinion and deserves neither civility nor respect.
But there are followers who do want to discuss. Trump reached people by tailoring media to their fears. Talking is good in those cases.
1. Those who are so embarrassed that they voted for him that they will never admit it and they just vote for him because they think he will add to their wealth or they are secretly racist or homophobic (or whatever)
2. Cult members.
Good luck!
Trump invented alternative facts and “fake news.” It’s truly a shame.
They reject all of it and just follow the white rabbit.
Why do you think Trump is having to put up with Space Karen?
"I think men should control all women's bodies, even if it kills them" is not a difference of opinion.
"I think gun deaths are preferable to gun regulation" is not a difference of opinion.
I am, therefore, not convinced any conservative voices here are operating in good faith.
#Hindsight2020
These people act we’re having theoretical discussions with zero consequences.
It’s completely tone deaf!
There is zero possibility of civility when that’s how they view us.
I'm done arguing with people who basically insist that "2+2=5"
"the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry"
Right. It was Trump.
But even if it wasn't Trump, Conservatives are the ones who created the environment for Trump to thrive in. The only reason why any conservative leaders dislike Trump is because they dislike him personally.
And Trump is exactly where that ideology leads to, he's not a corruption or aberration of conservatism he's a fulfilment of it.
I can't think of any Federal Conservatives who actually stand up to Trump. Nikki Haley talked a bunch of talk, but she bent the knee just like everyone else.
Are there any significant Conservative leaders who don't fall into one of the two categories I discussed?
So...NOT entirely different groups, in fact. Just some are closeted MAGA rather than out
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Nasty verbal assaults. Go to Twitter and get run over by them. It’s nothing but hit and runs.
They don't need goddamned BlueSky. They need Jiminy fucking Cricket.
Supporting those who think some people are criminal just simply for existing is not a differing viewpoint.
Going high just gets one punched below the belt. No thanks.
And the beer still sucks.
If they were, it’d be different.
Hate is not civil, even if spoken softly.
Hate does not have to be listened to. It must be stopped.
Anyone who tolerates hate is, de facto, a hater themselves.
If they can’t tell what he is by now, we literally have nothing in common. We don’t even agree on the same reality.
Because, quite frankly, the Germans who were complicit were also called Nazis. (I'm sorry, I butchered that quote)
They've only come to BlueSky to turn turn this place into another cesspool. They're not here for meaningful discussion or civility.
Grammar, spelling, coherence, and vocabulary for the win!
They need to hit rock bottom, and get started on recovery, first. Cult Deprogramming is a tough road, but they’re going to have to walk it, if they want back in to civil, normal, public places.
I was more so speaking of people that voted for him who are not staunch supporters, like swing voters, who are more reachable.
They dont have different viewpoints - they are non thinking robots.
Is that clear enough for you?
But I'm hoping the feeds in Bluesky will buck that trend and give folks a way to explore and engage across those boundaries.
The Left doesn’t owe MAGAs/MIGAs a damn thing. Not space, not time, not opportunity or attention.
TD:LR: Read it twice
I'm saying that Bluesky might have features missing from other platforms which enable folks who choose to explore and engage to do so without being bombarded and harassed uncontrollably.
I work all day often 7 days a week. I do not want to get on a social media platform and get abused. This is MY time.
I gave up 24/7 since 2015 trying to make sure we kept our democracy.
I want information…not abuse.
There is work and there is play. And Bluesky gives you control over your work/play ratio.
If you're ever in the mood to take a stand, you have that option here without worrying about endless harassment.
We all know what they’re about
I just like to keep them as far away from me as possible
I don’t want to share space with Nazis, racists, bigots. And I’m tired of normalizing it as just “differing opinions”.
Plus, as a woman, I got tired of the stochastic terrorism, like blue check chuds sharing “your body, my choice” comments/memes
No.
That’s the kind of tolerance that lulled the average German into turning a blind eye as the Jews were carted off.
Republicans, yes.
MAGA, hell no.
There's the rub.
They want to harass, terrorize, and semean
MAGA & #DictatorTrump already has gotten FAR too much free reign
The #Insurrectionists aren't leaving #DorkMusk or #DictatorTrump;
You're just normalizing MAGA,as this site--supposedly a reprieve from #RightWing extremism & #TrumpRepublicanNaziThugKlan, becomes yet another place WE must protect selves from #Hate
Those #TrumpRepublicanNaziThugKlan are still on #DumpyTrumpy TruthSocial--
2) it’s naive to assume you can join a platform that supports free speech and expect a safe haven from toxicity
First Law: Don't feed the trolls.
We do act like normal human beings
And I am out of my bubble
But my bubble does not include people who discriminate and hate and take rights away from others
They don’t get to be in my life
There’s no tolerance here
The Nazis were very pleasant company. So polite! Said Please and Thank You, and used the right fork while they planned mass murder.
THEY ARE STRIPPING OUR RIGHTS and CIVIL PROTECTIONS and trying to DISMANTLE OUR FEDERAL SYSTEM.
THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT CIVILITY. THEY WANT WAR!
I'll GIVE THEM IT!
NO QUARTER TO FASCISM IN AMERICA!
WE HAVE SEEN THIS BULLSHIT BEFORE
I’m not Morning Joe or Mika.
If you accept a ride from a scorpion, you get stung.
They are not welcome and we aim to keep it that way.
A lot of hard work goes into making sure this place doesn’t become the next Nazi bar.
For everyone who made the #eXit:
We here at Bluesky have learned one thing:
Don't talk to right-wing troll accounts. Don't share their shameless statements. Don't get upset about them.
Block them without comment and recommend that others do the same.
That's it. That's the magic.😎
Don’t believe them.
Ever hear the nazi bar story?
https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone
Nope, there are not good people on both sides. One side didn't nip that sh!t right away and look where we are now.
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Most, if not all Magats, “perspectives” are hate, fear & lie based. And now u can add “further emboldened”. So no. I don’t want this app to have those perspectives. It’s bad enough we’ve been dealing with it for years. Not here.
But in today's society, you are asking me to normalize people who claim to be for "law and order" and who voted for a convicted felon.
A winger with a respectful, intellectually honest comment? Bring them on.
Mental health is important, so whatever you do, at least do what's best for your mind.
So far, that's a small percentage of MAGA. Hard to support Trump without bullshit lies.
supporting Trump is inherently uncivil
we knew reality four years ago, and we liked it so much we grew our ranks and won in a landslide. Looking forward to more reality, free from you mentally ill kooks. Sit down and let sane people handle this. Lol