I haven't seen a single "we have to understand the concerns of Trump voters" take reckons with the fact that a huge percentage of their concerns are based on false information. You cannot "address" a concern about a fake thing!
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This is how I feel discussing inflation.
MAGA person: Biden doesn't care about bread and butter issues like inflation.
Me: He signed the Inflation Reduction Act and we have lowest inflation among OECD.
MAGA person: But what about inflation?!
MAGA person: Biden doesn't care about bread and butter issues like inflation.
Me: He signed the Inflation Reduction Act and we have lowest inflation among OECD.
MAGA person: But what about inflation?!
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They are completely unattached from reality at this point and I honestly don't know how you fix that.
No idea what you can do to "address" that
Yeah. That's life under inflation and price gouging. Why are you not paying as much as people in other countries?
if there's one thing this election has brought home for me, it's that people are freakin stupid
There is also a common misperception that falling inflation/ lower inflation means falling prices...
That’s a legit thing
(How's that for flipping the narrative?)
It's like the Democrats don't even care about his concerns.
It's still real to me damnit!
If Dems are to be blamed for anything, it's dampening enthusiasm by telling us to cut out the weirdo jokes and embrace Liz Cheney. That took the wind out of the campaign right there.
It's also on voters who know what the truth is, but lie to pollsters.
The media prevented her from getting the message out and decided to pander to lies and fluff liars rather than do their patriotic or even stated duty. The mistake was not seeing their enemy status years ago.
Democracy was mentioned as a major election issue in exit polls; low odds Republicans cared
The oligarchy must die and its tools of control must be destroyed.
Don't give them a way out when they start crying about it. They chose this. Full stop.
I think the only way to get through to them is to make them own their shit. They may complain that they didn't vote for this, but they in fact did vote for this. If they want forgiveness, then they need to own up to their mistake.
Also--I don't see how you make them own it if they never see the consequences because the media is broken. Covid has been memory-holed in favor of the trans panic and imaginary shit
Not sure how to fight that.
https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics#:~:text=Nationwide%2C%20on%20average%2C%2079%25,older%20are%20illiterate%20in%202022.
These people made their choice. They may be uneducated, but they're not mindless robots. Allow them the dignity of willfully choosing the wrong one.
*not* to believe the falsehoods? We were running against Republicans AND the Media and our only hope was that voters would chose decency.
really just stacking the deck
but even if it is right, does making fun of trump voters or insulting them help win elections ?
there is a right and a wrong answer here
Or. . . the Boebert family has been REALLY busy lately.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/study-watching-fox-news-actually-makes-you-stupid-235770/
They all said the same; they have the Internet and access to honest journalism.
They choose to believe the lies.
2. Capitalism
The truth was out there. They refused to accept it, in part because the lies had been drilled into them.
Then the country lurches right and we wonder why.
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I was like, "Yes, that is what the chart says."
Gasoline prices have come down.
No school is doing sex change operations on children. My trans friends and blue sky MDs can clarify what’s involved.
Feel free to add more Red Voters concerns.
I agree with you.
It's happening right here.
You're doing it right now.
Billionaires control 100% of the information systems in the developed world.
If so, then it's a really long standing problem & not one that I see the Trump/Vance/Musk/Thiel crowd as fixing.
So there will be loads of unhappy & disappointed people among their followers, possibly quite fast?
(a) They are Trumpy people and listen to Trumpist news and believe false things
(b) or they listen to Trumpist news and believe false things so they favor Trump?
(c) OR it's all one process?
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"Oh, sorry Mr. Idaho man. Is illegal immgrants the worst thing in your whole life?? Well here's something"
Unfortunately these toddlers have an uncle that says "He didn't really look! He's lying! The monsters right there!!"
The GOP didn't like this, so they created an ecosystem that they liked, and didn't care about the the truth of problems talked about.
Start with moderates and swing voters, and you can see where their lack of information lives.
You need to show them the cause and effect, explain how long everything takes and why.
You must also tell them even that issue can change.
A trans?
I got better.
"I pledge to address the unicorn infestation in Central Park"
The burden of proof has shifted to honest people over liars making extraordinary claims
"please i'm living paycheck to paycheck i just want the price of groceries to go down"
"Ummm sweaty you're literally a Nazi????"
Them: "Nobody wants to work anymore!"
Me: "But, unemployment is the lowest it's been in fifty years. About as long as I've been alive."
Them: "Yeah!"
Me: ...
I'm done giving a shit about them. They don't give a shit about me or anyone I care about.
I tried to help them. They didn't want help. They wanted hatred and misery and I wish them all the best of it.
we cant move forward until we accept this. we are now fighting fascism.
I think this take by Tressie McMillan Cottom is the most correct one: people want their wrong ideas validated and their misplaced fears soothed.
Ah. No? Great.
Fuck me, I guess.
Trump suggested drinking bleach
Trump incited an insurrection
Trump described Nazis as "Fine people"
The Trump-Russia dossier.
Like with Flat Earthers.
Is FOX news the only channel on their tv?
I’m kind of over all the takes that make them sound like victims of FOX
They can pick up s paper
The internet is there
They chose the poison
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/8/16263710/fox-news-presidential-vote-study
“Oh poor bamboozled victim! 😢
They were lied to!!! *gasp*”
Are they adults?
Was FOX on a syllabus?
No.
The viewer chose it
I’m just placing some responsibility on the viewer
There are so many other sources of actual news
These people choose what they believe and ignore everything that challenges that belief.
They like Trump and don't want to hear why they shouldn't.
And next, can we please discuss voter suppression?
"Wow a Bigmac sure is expensive now"
"Well actually if you read the report inflation is down a point!" has never reassured anyone.
No analysis about Trump's lack of substance and blatant lies.
No analysis of Kamala's campaign and voter apathy.
No analysis of the part the media played by constantly sanewashing trump and his "positions."
No analysis as to why progressive House and Senate seats performed better than Harris.
During 12 years of Obama and Biden (and hell, let's go back to Clinton, too), why has no one at the FCC brought back the Fairness Doctrine?
It would've stopped Faux News and the rest from gaining hold.
"See here how we can see crime at historic lows. Here are the numbers. Here are more reports. Here are the FBI numbers. Any questions? Do you believe crime is down?"
"No"
Repeat with inflation. Repeat with gas prices.
side: do maga realize gas was low during Cheeto man bc no one was using their cars during covid.
... infuriatingly, it's not necessarily wrong, just... ugh.
I don't remember crime being bad when I was a kid in the 90s, either, but I've seen the statistics, and they're dramatic.
Cost of food a huge issue. Lodging as well.
“But, interest rates, inflation are shrinking!” Aren’t compelling arguments for many ppl.
Failure to do so is why Dems always come off as weak
can we finally just acknowledge our pundits know as much as Terry Bradshaw does about politics
It sucks but people aren’t always rational and logical.
A lot of those same companies with heads throwing support behind conservative politicians who are lax on regulations.
If milk always costs three dollars, wages can be flat but you know you can afford it.
It's shitty but that's the calculus for a lot of people.
As shitty as it is, we needed a candidate who sounds good on TikTok and Joe Rogan, and Sleepy Joe and Harris are the opposite of that.
Couldn't amplify and maintain it enough.
YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT AWAITS YOU ALL!
Dems lost 10 million voters who stayed home. Why not focus on THAT?
What appears to have made the difference: the people who voted Trump in 2016, Biden in 2020, and then Trump again in 2024.
Black women, and black men - they showed up for Harris. Everyone else needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.
And racism is the American stain.
I want to know what happened there.
I want to know what happened with overseas votes that have yet to be tallied, too.
There's still a conversation to be had about all the ways dem votes were circumvented, but not actually fomenting conspiracy theories. Nice try targeting me, tho!
There's a difference between going to vote in person and everyone and their uncle giving you a ballot at home and encouraging you to vote from there.
b) the dems wasted the initial enthusiasm they garnered by courting right wingers in every way they could. they lots votes by ostracizing the massive base of ppl desperate for a better option by doubling down on the clinton strat and basically had policies from dubya.
it's not a hard puzzle to piece together
And if that's actually what happened, or if Trump simply found a better way to cheat this time.
2024 Dems stayed home to punish Biden for… everything
I'll keep reposting this outstanding @amandamarcotte.bsky.social piece in every related discussion.
It's not about the concerns. It's not about whether Harris moved left or right on some policy. Even in red states voters prefer her policies.
It's about the ignorance.
Create a villain. Not the rich, everyone thinks they can be rich.
Pick on Amazon, Albertsons, Imperial Oil... Make them into the corporate villians who are destroying your life.
Bust the monopolies
Overturn Citizens United
End the lobbying
Jail the gougers
Reduce the groceries
Biden won in 2020 because he worked with the left to appeal to the working class, he went back on that and Kamala’s campaign crashed and burned as a result
A Trumper is a product of alienation
Wait, I'm being handed a message...
These aren't "false information" and there's no acceptable middle ground position on them