it’s not about civility or decorum it’s the fact that you’re there to do the people’s business and dressing appropriately is part of how you should you understand the gravity of the task
I don’t agree, but I understand your points. I think as long as he gets the job done, he could go in a thong bikini for all I fucking care. But to be honest, I’m just glad he’s clothed.
It's also such a white cis dude thing, imo, having the privilege to safely ignore these social norms. Fetterman was fine, even great, at local or state level PA politics- but he's been awful at the national level, at getting shit done in the senate. very curious to see how things shake out in 2028.
Last person I’ll trust is in a suit or tie. That’s normally the outfit of someone trying to get one over on you. They should all have to wear clown outfits.
Agreed. And I don’t care about a suit and tie, per se; you can still look “professional” without them. (TFG is the poster child for looking godawful in a suit and tie.) If you want to serve the country and your constituents (which is a privilege, not a right), show up like you give a damn.
I’m having a hard time with that. We tell people don’t judge a book by it’s cover and from what I can see John Fetterman is performing especially well this week doing the people’s business Jamelle
No, it's about size, and access to wealth. You try being 6'8" and 400 pounds and outfitting yourself in appropriate clothing for a job that requires your specific intellect, and then a bunch of assholes jump all over you for wearing the only clothing you can easily find. Shame on you, NYT Op-Ed.
On the other hand, there shouldn't be a Senate in the first place
I worry a lot about how even the coolest senators, like Bernie Sanders, tend to fall victim to Senate Brain (spending decades believing the filibuster is good, for instance)
I’ve been debating this with myself: I don’t want to be a snob or elitist, but I also think some conventions of dress are important. I mean, you don’t have to wear 5k suits—Target has perfectly respectful clothes for most jobs—but shorts and tees seems disrespectful to the office.
I think it's nice in theory to dress appropriately as you're doing the people's business, but then I ask myself how often the Senate is actually doing the people's business as a serious institution.
I do think he could find something more appropriate to wear, for example, I wasn’t allowed to wear blue jeans at work so I bought jeans in different colors with jackets that matched.
He might have a hard time getting custom suits made, they’re expensive, just saying he’s a really big guy.
Thank you for saying this! I’m a former Costume Designer, I see clothes as much more than functional or to express who you are. The point you make about understanding the gravity of your job is spot on. How you present yourself builds trust in who you are, your competence. Put on your damn suit!
I remember when I was a pediatric resident, I purposely wore casual clothing so that the children would feel comfortable with me. And then a brother in-law told me that I was being disrespectful to my patients and families. Dressing casually implied that I was casual about the practice of medicine.
Years ago in Boston a newly appointed Municipal Court Judge was reluctant to wear his robe while walking down a public corridor to his courtroom from the judge's lobby. A bunch of his lawyer friends intervened & insisted that he play his part and wear the damn robe.
yeah. absolutely would not have given a shit about Sinema dressing like a circus clown if she didn't accompany it with voting for working class people to starve.
I’ll say it explicitly: when you’re doing it because you’re representing the working people it’s annoying but fine, but you lose the benefit of the doubt when you’re an oligarchical tool.
Honestly, if they were excellent at their job? Absolutely. But then I don't care much for "respectability", I care about consistency and results. I understand that I am likely in the minority.
Suits are an almost 200 year old anachronism. It symbolizes class, not ability. I'm not saying shorts and a hoodie are appropriate, but the very thing we need to change going forward is old ideas of appropriate dress and behavior. There are better ways to communicate through atire.
*Do not mistake this for me suggesting Fetterman is working class—he is not.
Wearing “good” and appropriate clothing for the occasion is something the poor and working classes have always done when possible. Think church, holidays, etc.
I’d say currently, dressing like shit (sometimes expensively!) often just shows disdain for common social norms—often a sign of ruling class dominance, to say the rules don’t apply to me, I make them.
Nope. It's a class signifier. It says you are not a threat to the class in that space. You belong. All dress is a form of communication just like any art or style a person ascribes to.
A suit does not communicate neutrality in hospital, for instance. Or an American sportsball game.
From that angle, it symbolizes respect and/or compliance, you're showing up in the expected attire so that you fit in and everyone can focus not on what you're wearing etc, but what you're saying.
It's an imperfect thesis, but one worth keeping in mind.
The business suit is actually a very democratic garment that hasn't really been replaced with anything equally egalitarian. It emerged as the style of liberal bourgeois men in Europe who rejected the extremely ornate and expensive garments of previous generations more invested in aristocracy.
Lol. It emerged from a grifter trying to fleece the French aristocracy.
But sure, defend 200 years of no change in men's fashion because that would mean the upper class - to whom suits signal solidarity - would have to abdicate power.
Same can be said for your words if you really think about it. No one but snobs care about how someone dresses. How a congressman dresses doesn't effect his votes, voting habits or what he votes for. The fact this is even a thought is weird.
Counterpoint: Fetterman's insistence on wearing shorts and hoodies instead of a suit was an early warning sign of the sort of contrarianism that would lead him to support Trump.
There are absolutely things that should be changed about the dress code (e.g. women should be allowed to wear pants) but there's nothing classist about holding our elected representatives to the same standards we the people are so often held to under pain of losing our income.
No! I do not need to tie a strip of colorful fabric around my neck, and tie it into a knot to be treated with respect! If that is what makes you respect people, then a lot of people will never respect you! I communicate by what I wear that I can't be controlled by your silly little social norms!
I mean, at least show up in business casual; and in the thumbs up photo, the hoodie looks food-stained. Ew.
He can afford a tailor, so it’s not a question of fit. (And honestly, his build he’s gonna need a tailor or look like a rumpled ape. But he doesn’t do that.)
the helmet has a function, they don't wear them for fashion... and judging by the state of most of Congress, i don't think the suits are doing much to protect against TBI
Also, I’m sorry all this was responding to the wrong persons post, I meant to reply to the op, my bad about your notifications etc, sorry about that my bad
Funny, people dress up all the time and show me how much they don’t give a fuck
If I wanted to go into politics (I don’t, because I wouldn’t be able to handle dealing with conservatives in any capacity) among the many reasons I wouldn’t is dress code expectations
For whatever reason, hard to pinpoint, but I may just hate the idea of suits. It might just be the amount of times I’ve bought the cheapest good looking ones I could find and it still made me want to barf between the cost anxiety and just feeling deeply uncomfortable in them
I mean I would have gone with short or pants with tie dye or something very colorful. Or t-shirts with political slogans, but I suspect there’s a rules against that.
They weren’t expensive suits, probably not even “suits” I’d likely be informed they didn’t even qualify
I dunno about this dude in particular, I just needed to say I hope people feel more comfortable being themselves and don’t feel the need to dress up and don’t want it associated with GAF
Who is the"us" in "our ideology score"? Respectfully, what's the point of posting this without any indication of where it's from or what you mean by it?
Is he doing his job?
Yep.
In the Chambers of our Republic, I think "content of character."
(it's important)
Not really the wrapping paper they show up in.
K'mon...
Mushmouth Kennedy has a suit.
Marjorie missing Chromosome owns a dress.
Nuff said.
Fair enough. You're right. But I'll take whatever he became over the Thimble-dikkkz that want his job.
(leastin' he ain't in an Alzheimer's ward hiding out)
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What did Fetterman do to piss people off? He seems like a decent working class Representative. His clothes don’t fit because he’s a very large man. He doesn’t care about his appearance he cares about policy.
As a PA resident who supported this jagoff, I was extremely pissed off by this. She’s an election denier!
I was never overly concerned with how he dressed. But I care very deeply about his sudden willingness to support people like her.
Totally agree. He looks like a slob. So disrespectful to his job of working for the People. Yes, he’s a big guy, but there’s plenty of clothes for big guys. I really liked him way back. Now he’s just a big Manchin. Blech.
Yeah, it’s the deliberate disregard just for optics that bothers me most. I’m not super committed to the standards of dress (though I’d have a great wardrobe for Congress, bet), but his flouting was more about positioning himself than any real statement on the work and the chamber.
It’s like when the MAGAts went around the metal detector to parade with their guns when Pelosi was the speaker.
Now don’t nobody pays attention to it, they don’t feel the need to prance around with the guns anymore.
It’s branding imo, because people who’d barely recognize a congressperson on the street see that dude and go, That’s Fetty. He’s the inverse of 45’s obsession with camera-friendly looks.
Yep, no matter how much lipstick you put on 45/47, a pig is still a pig. Watched Fetty’s interview today, some real substance there. If you don’t like how he looks, just close your eyes.
One, that’s silly. He’s supposedly 6’8” 270, plenty of clothes available. What do you think athletes that size do? Two, that’s a false binary. There are other options besides shorts/hoodie or a suit. Casual pants and an untucked button down is easy.
I would buy that argument if we were talking about a regular guy doesn't wear a suit to funeral or something, but Fetterman is a US Senator. He can afford a tailor.
Sure but you could try to wear something kinda nice. You could wear a nice sweater and some slacks. You don’t need to get out of your way to dress like a schlub
This. I wear a sports jacket and hoodie all the time. My uniform tells you that I begrudgingly oblige having some management duty while actually doing work in the trenches
the fact that he is just slightly more progressive than the disaster from arizona is a LOT
Thing is, he comes from a wealthy Republican family, which kinda changes how you see the hoodies. Like, he's never lied about his background, but if people decide he's a working class man of the soil, welp.
It's the same as those 'working class' dudes who have an $80k luxury truck.
Yeah, that’s it for me. It’s one thing when you’re in the rigors of a campaign, and even to some extent when you’re in the transition process that you’re run ragged. But two years in it’s clear this is just half-assed branding.
It’s also straight up a distraction from doing the people’s business. Those of us growing up in colder parts of the country all knew the guy who wore shorts in January, and that guy was always doing it for attention, not because he somehow observed temperature differently. Fetterman is no different.
Exactly! When I am representing a client in court, I think it's important to dress appropriately for the occasion-that is, to wear something that shows I take their case seriously. I expect the same from our representatives. (ps, love your style, know you would nail this!)
Worse is his NEW mode of employment assessment skill. Asked if he would confirm Hegseth for Secty of Defense, Fetterman said he knew “the guy didn’t know much about (Defense) but would wait to see what other Senators had to say… Why? Didn’t he hear himself? So disappointing!!!
I don't care if they wear suits or not. I do care that they view the clothes they wear as a means of self expression, and have an interest in expressing that they give a damn.
"Opting out" of fashion is like, awkward teen behavior
Never really had a problem with it til his latest interview. He looked confused and the outfit just made him look like a schlump. Hard to take him seriously.
With this second post I see your point now. If I got on a commercial flight and the pilot was wearing a hoodie and shorts, I'd be second guessing getting on that plane
Somewhere there is a “Tan Suit” asking why? That suit was criticized, dismissive, and labeled everything but distinguished or debonair. What happen to that suit? Most recently, there were a couple of paint suits criticized. 2016 and 2024, every time a paint suit graced the stage it was Presidential.
One’s attire very often reflects one’ attitude. Being well pressed is intended to impress cleanly and effectively. The general attitude of a public servant, paid with tax payers dollars is to be accountable to those bosses and to endeavour not in any way to offend any.
Nah, that's not really true. It's not the job of a public servant to offend none of their constituents. We elected him in part because he dresses that way, is the reality of things. Again, how he dresses is not consequential. His policies (increasingly shitty) are consequential.
I hold a county seat on the Cape which many people don’t even know exists and I wear a suit or a blazer or a skirt to show respect to the constituents who voted for me.
I was willing to give him a pass for a couple-few months, because finding a tailor who will make custom suits for someone his size is tough, and will be expensive, and takes time for them to be completed.
I think his protest is infantile. Of all the things to protest, what is expected of him to wear should not be one of them. He should be railing against the billionaires and getting free education for his state, in my opinion, instead of this silly protest.
This but also about civility and decorum for me, too, because that shows the gravity of the task as well. It shows respect for the institutions. Son of the rules are silly but shorts and a hoodie is too far. He could’ve found a reasonable compromise if he wanted to.
Agreed. I love that Jeffries wears sneakers. He does it in a manner which demonstrates accessibility, an enthusiast's eye for styling, and appreciation for setting.
The hoodie & shorts thing was at a level where my brother & dad would change to go to Lowes, FFS.
I was a teacher for 30 years and was always conscious of the fact that the way I dressed was not about me, but it was about the people around me. It’s because I wanted people to know why I was there. That’s what Fetterman has forgotten, or is unwilling to admit.
Lesson is you can be a weird hoodie and shorts 365 guy and mostly get away with it but you can't be a weird Third Way hoodie and shorts chud and get away with it
This is what I was thinking too. The norm of "must always wear at suit at times" is terrible, IMO, but Jesus H Christ, man, can you not look like you rolled out of bed five minutes ago
If an attorney showed up in court like that, they'd be held in contempt. Or shamed into coming back after they changed. When I was training my clients, I would never ever show up in sandals or even a suit for that matter. It matters.
If he chose to wear a suit but no tie I can get behind that. Ties are dumb and a solid argument can be made tht they cut off oxygen to the brain. I mean look at every other male Senator. At least that’s business casual and not extremely casual Friday attire.
Counterpoint: Many of those well-dressed people fuck their constituents over on a daily basis, so I'm far less concerned with what they wear, so long as they go in there and help their voters.
Bernie could roll up in a penguin kigurumi as long as he always voted for M4A and I wouldn't care.
The thing is, he dresses like one of his constituents, but he absolutely isn't one of them. At least not one of the ones who voted him into office, and who will (hopefully) make him a one-term senator.
Fetterman's issue isn't that he rolls up in a Carhartt hoodie, it's that he's a psychotic Zionist and anti-immigrant weirdo, and he votes to uphold those things every goddamn time.
Sure, he's right that there wasn't a tear in the fabric of the universe when he did it, but cmon look like you appreciate the importance of what's in front of you
It's the same reason a wear suits to teach classes...I'm telling my students that this stuff is important to me so I want to wear my best because this is a big deal
It’s really about grooming and attention, not the exact thing (re “the suit”). If you are trying to look nice, the message will usually will come through. I wear jeans to teach but a nice top, jewelry, drag a comb through my hair and it’s fine. Fetterman looks like crap and doesn’t have to
IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT PUTTING BABY WOMBATS IN BLENDERS.
It's more fun if you pretend like she doesn't mean personal hygiene and presentation.
Really, though, it irks me that it's his schtick. "I'm the hoodie guy." Why not wear a giant hat & scream "I'm the Bishop of Batshit" every 10 minutes or so?
I guess there’s no dress code there. But really is your wardrobe all that important. I’d rather have a good guy than a not good guy who’s dressed well.
I’m completely comfortable judging Fetterman for looking like he reeks of sour sweat, and Sinema for looking like she’s auditioning for High School Musical 4, because in both cases it speaks to an attitude of selfish unconcern for the gravity of their jobs.
We can have a larger discussion about whether or not expectations around clothing are healthy for us as a society, but the expectations exist, and if you are ostensibly representing the people, you know, wash your pants.
I should be able to show up to my Monday meeting nude, too, but I don’t.
Look, you are absolutely right, but also the suit is incontrovertibly a symbol of dominance. Like those guys who handshake like they're trying to choke your unborn grandkids through your hand.
People always need to complain about something. His constituents chose him knowing he wore that. If they don't care why the fuck does someone who isn't even represented by him care?
Not true. He ran as a progressive against Oz with help from AIPAC and is yet another useless and self serving member of Congress. DNC spent millions on candidates unworthy of office.
We didn’t care enough about his cloths to say anything when he was doing his damn job. Now all bets are off and with all we have to stomach we get to bitch about whatever we want. 💙
Right, but obviously these things are self-fulfilling prophecies, so we don't get facial tattoos or dress like a tramp when we want to present ourselves as professional.
"it speaks to an attitude of selfish unconcern for the gravity of their jobs" implies that the ones in suits are doing something better or different. What is better or different, because your next response implies that they are all the same.
Weren't women banned from wearing pants on the floor until like 1993? Now men just get to run through there in shorts and hoodies... smh but let Jasmine or AOC roll up in some shorts. Remember when they dragged Michelle for wearing a sleeveless shirt?
I think it’s about self respect. If he doesn’t have enough for himself to dress appropriately he doesn’t have enough to be a United States Senator PERIOD.
He can look around and see that his clothes are different from the other Senators. For Gods sake put on a dress shirt and pants that do not have a drawstring. It’s never appropriate to look like a slob. Next he’ll be wearing his PJs. PERIOD
I still stand by thinking this was cool. Don't let his shitty politics distract from the fact that the only people comfortable in suits are sociopaths.
Don't know where you get that idea from. I go out to play golf to forget about politics and this god awful world we live in. Maybe you're talking professional golfers, most of us are from that, kinda like football, basketball and baseball players?!
I was thinking more private members club, massively environmentally damaging, marker of privilege, popularly associated with corruption and ultimately a selfish indulgence for a wealthy minority.
If you're on a golf course where they require you to dress up "appropriately" and you find that to be a good thing then I don't think we have a lot in common.
At least she put in effort, Fetterman dresses the way I do when I realize I have to run to the grocery store fifteen minutes before close for wet cat food because my cat is loudly reminding me that kibble won’t sustain her through the night.
Fetterman is a snake. He sought comfort from the Dems when he had his stroke meanwhile the orange turd was making fun of his slurred speech. Now he's pro trump. I agree he needs to lose the baggy clothes, clean up and put on some business casual clothes if he's not into the suit and tie regiment.
Would that be the Chuck Schumer who denied Al Franken a hearing and forced his resignation from the Senate when a right-wing bimbo on the radio in L.A., with the help of Roger Stone, claimed that a goof photo they'd taken together in a USO tour was suddenly sexual harassment?
If I remember correctly, this was right at the beginning of the Me To movement. The process should have been allowed to play out. The ethics committee should’ve done been allowed to do their job.
You bet. To elaborate, this was an obvious bamboozle on the part of Roger Stone; the media treated it like it was real and Franken asked Schumer to have a legit investigation in which he would cooperate
Schumer told him to go pound sand.
Schumer took the opportunity to purge a progressive Democrat
Every PhD defense committee I sit on, and every time I attend a defense, i dress up a bit more than usual (sport coat & decent shoes, not suit and tie level). A lot of people seem genuinely confused but the parents of the students are always super appreciative that I’m taking the occasion seriously.
I knew a medical student who refused to wear a (very needed) bra to a free clinic where she volunteered. When I asked whether the (mostly immigrant) clients were uncomfortable she said they were lucky to get care at all, which just confirmed the deep disrespect of her choice.
Her supervisors were imploring her to wear one, and she thought she was making a big political statement by refusing. And yeah, patients from a range of cultures felt uncomfortable or disrespected or embarrassed. You can argue if that’s warranted as a theorist, but not as a doctor.
I’m a millennial and unfortunately the hoodie and jeans combo is the norm now (thanks zuckerdouche) but I’ve always thought it was important to dress nice for work. It’s about attitude. It shows you’re there to work hard and professionally.
There was always a disrespect from him just in the way he showed up..that “in your face I’m wearing clean out the basement clothes”…I’m no fan of Gym Jordan but at least he is decently dressed missing only a jacket…Fetterman looks like he’s working the land fill and he does it on purpose
I was gonna use the NBA Draft as an example of big men being able to dress for the occasion but some of those suits would be more disrespectful to wear to work than the shorts 'n hoodies
The person who will sit in the big chair in 2025 does not have the ability or integrity to be taken seriously.
But hell, he’s wearing a tight suit. He’s okay?
If fetterman attire gripes you pants, we’re fukd deeply
It’s more his preemptive bending over for the MAGA agenda. He can wear whatever he wants if he holds the blue wall. But if he’s just gonna cuck for musk he should wear something uncomfortable
I have had times when I liked him, felt bad for him and didn't care what he wore. Now I've settled into not liking him. At least he could take a shower, spray some Downy Wrinkle Release on his clothes, and listen to the people he's supposed to represent....
Fuck Fetterman. But I’m a big dude too. Much more comfortable in shorts. Hard to find pants that fit right & look right. He could probably afford a tailor. So never mind, fuck him.
I dont. Its hard to find clothes to fit him. Leave him alone, it has been his style and people voted for his representation not with best dressed in mind.
How is that disrespectful? You focused on his attire while Lindsey and the crew are taking away our rights everyday. We need to focus on the things that’s hurting our country what he ware doesn’t matter how he legislate does. I don’t agree with him on some issues but he’s doing a hell of a good job!
Also look at his voting record before you say he isn’t doing a lot to support Americans. I don’t agree with every vote he makes but he is doing a hell of a lot better than many other senators. I’d choose him over the two in my state any day!!
And where did you find this information? Support Israel yes he does. That doesn’t mean he supports murdering Palestinians? When you make a statement like that it reminds me of the protest vote against the VP which helped get us Trump!
I’m honestly shocked at his turn in behavior. I was on board for him and his wife seems so genuine. I just don’t get it. I’m so done with turncoat dems.
He’s basically sanewashing Trump. He said Trump is basically very politically savvy (true to an extent, but not how hoodie thinks,) and that no regular person uses the term fascist. Let alone calls Trump a fascist; never mind that people in his own administration called him a fucking fascist.
The headlines are calling him the GOP's favorite Dem. I have read that he has been having meetings with Trump's celebrity cabinet picks, and has even made himself a profile on Truth Social. Just another Democrat turncoat, Ala Manchin and Sinema.
How exactly? By supporting RFK, and Hegseth? Or continuing his sycophantic stanning of Trump like when he was saying he’s politically talented? Im not an elite. Nor do I play one on TV. Just a regular person who supported him and now wonders why.
If we don’t hitch our wagons to those who will figure out how to play both sides we will never have a democracy again. Plus he is white and has a dick and lives in middle America - this is where we are - sorry. Gen X life long dem woman here just being real - I ain’t getting fooled again
I worked as legislative staff for a state. One time I was denied entry onto the Senate floor because I wasn’t wearing a blazer. My dress had long sleeves but I had to run back to grab my blazer. I learned my lesson that day. I expect elected officials to keep to the same standards as staff.
I don't give a shit about what he wears. I care that he is a fascist endorsing zionist PIG and a traitor. Loathe the dncorphores any way but I really hate the ones who love the right trash like manchin and fetterman do. He is why I hate all of the races that are based on lesser evils.
No one is against Fetterman. Some folks who are politically well to the left of the spectrum may now dislike him for his stances but his constituents don’t & there are many centrists who thinks he’s doing just fine.
So I just saw the report on Fetterman & Patel in Rolling Stone. What is like to for him to explain his reasoning to the Dem Caucus b/c on the surface his flip flop looks irresponsible.
Thing is, fetterman’s had the opportunity to speak his piece and he essentially doubled down to flip the middle finger at the progressives who helped put him in power
Yes, lobbyists got to him. The Dem base repeatedly informed that he was not a trustworthy candidate.
K Street is why this country is not a functioning representative democracy. We are instead governed by profit minded people who can afford to pay for policy capture.
That's exactly what happened in NJ when they voted for DEM VanDrew and within 6 mos or so he announced he'd switched sides and was a REP. We need a law that prohibits that...or lose your seat in Congress. Ppl vote for your values...and your view for the country.
To be honest, I would not dress up for work in congress either, because it has no effect on my ability to do my job, and I have no respect for most of the idiots who work there.
It feels like an act.
I’d love to go to work in my PJs but, even if we didn’t have a dress code, it would be respectful to the coworkers.
He should show some respect to his constituents and the country in general.
I'm nervous about proscriptive attire rules, which are often deployed against religious, ethnic, and gender minorities. But he seemed to be doing it disrespectfully, even obnoxiously, rather than in some sort of idiosyncratic, sincere way.
I don't know how to formalize that, but it wasn't great.
It may not be that a rule is required so much as that it’s appropriate to say that this guy is behaving like an asshole. I’d actually prefer to know which representatives think respect matters and which don’t.
I used to support him before October 2023. During the campaign, I rationalized the jogger incident by pointing out his victim actually endorsed him for Senate.
I hated Fetterman the second I found out about this. This sounds nuts I know, but if you look at his eyes, his affect, he’s a bad guy. He’s probably seen and done some shit (wife too). So the shotgun thing didn’t surprise me, that Fetterman didn’t blow a hole in the man’s chest did
While I understand the argument for maintaining decorum in official settings, does his attire impact his ability to represent his constituents effectively? Maybe it's time we focus more on the work being done than the dress code
Fetterman has been compromised. How does someone like Putin or Orbón get everyone to 'agree' with them? BTW, someone really should check the missing Congresswoman for possibly being drugged. These monsters will do *anything* to get what they want.
Some professional dress expectations exist to show respect to the people around you, and some exist to show respect to the people you represent. This is both.
The thing is, in state like Pennsylvania, he still appeals to young white males - the Joe Lunchbuckets - as Mike Royko called them. He is going for the Joe Rogan vibe.
WHY do you "like the guy"? He's spitting in core Democrats' faces
Besides looking like a complete asshole on the Senate floor
As for all the "I don't care what he wears as long as..." BS: I'm sitting here typing this in my shorts and a T-shirt. BUT I'M NOT REPRESENTING MY STATE IN THE U.S. SENATE!
I think Fetterman should wear whatever he's comfortable in. When I left Andersen in 75 it was with the commitment I would never wear another suit. Started writing software and suddenly people quit caring how I dressed.
as an autistic person with sensory issues. This This This! I'm very supportive of the idea of people wearing whatever makes them feel the most comfortable! Being uncomfortable and miserable honestly just sucks (and life is too short for that!)
I truly believe his cheese has slipped off his cracker, so to speak. He was always a bit strange, but in a good way. This personality change followed his last serious illness. A loved one should take him home.
It’s about respect, and looking like you’re hanging out in your garage shows a disregard to the gravity of the job. I dress like I’m hanging out in my garage but that’s primarily bc that’s what I’m doing, plus I’m too lazy to care anyway… which is sort of my point .
You’re not alone, when I first read that the dress code was changed for him I was floored. I remember thinking we need every dem but seems disrespectful.
90 percent of politics is performative. That's the kind of job it is. If it makes him more effective in the role he wants to play, good. When I'm working in public I wear a suit and tie. That too is performative. It's the uniform I wear.
I don't think that clothes are important at all or that we should interpret respect or disrespect based on someone's clothes. That seems like it leads to bad places. Fetterman should be criticized for the content of his character and not the bad clothes he chooses to troll people with.
I said it before everyone was anti-Fetterman. He should wear what is required of the Senate. If he were delivering packages for UPS, they would require him to dress in the brown unis. This is no different.
Agreed….but I am totally good with Zelensky in military casuals, because he is sending a powerful message that he is fighting a war, with Ukraine blood, to protect the democratic world against fascism …a total hero
On this one I do not care. If he’s showing up he’s doing more than a ton of the house or senate do. The house GOP just found one of theirs in memory care, she’s been gone for *six months*, any representative body where you can just disappear for half a year and no one says anything is worthless.
The problem is he's showing up to do AIPAC's bidding, and continue to mock and deride the progressives that actually voted his poser ass into office in the first place.
I liked him better when he could barely put a couple of sentences together. At least then he wasn’t going off the reservation and thinking for himself. F Fetterman! He really is becoming a problem.
That story is getting even worse! Seems that her staff checked her out of memory care to bring her to an event to prop her up for pictures. And she was a chair of a committee too!!!
I don't actually care about what he wears - but I care that he wasted a bunch of Senate time & effort for something so trivial, that has no benefit to his constituents, only himself. Just put on the tie, dude, & keep your powder dry for something that matters.
That racist piece of shit isn't doing good. He could throw on a suit. Politicians think they're above the bullshit most of us have to do. Could I do my job in shorts and a hoodie, yes. is that expected? The way society polices Black women's hair but ain't got no smoke for a sloppy white man is funny
Eh.... The Senate stripped away any real sense of its own duty decades ago, reducing themselves to cosplay as it is. When I thought he was going to be an FDR-style class traitor, I was fine with him mocking it with his own cosplay.
Now he's gone full Sinema & sucks, but the clothes are whatever.
I’d suggest, just for fun, watching & listening to that interview a little more closely
He didn’t turn MAGA
He pointed out why the Democratic Party Bubble caused us to underestimate Trump & go for the wrong strategy
We ALL talked about an abstract concept = #Fascism
Someone forgot the #Workers
Yup it’s an act of defiance. He’s pretty childish, which I was unaware of. He is popular here in Pittsburgh, but I think he is just trying to keep his job by going with the MAGA wave. His area has gone RED!👹
When he was an iconoclast doing things his own way while standing against Trump, his sartorial choices were overlooked.
Now that he's obeying in advance and accepting Trump team lies at face value, he has forfeited any grace given about his disrespectful wardrobe choices.
Isn't it just that we are human? we want to organize. to do so, there is an aspect of conforming. not bootlicking, but agreeing to respect a connection. how do we demonstrate respect & connection? with adornment. let's respect differences. but let's know that communicating respect might mean pants.
I personally don't care how Fetterman dresses. I have more serious objections. I used to be annoyed by people showing up at tech interviews in a hoodie, but dressing up too much can look naive. Needless to say, a woman can't get away with looking like a slob, so it is offensive that way.
I only care because he’s a hypocrite. It’s just like the Republican who went to Yale and grew up in a gated community in Connecticut acting like they’ve been a rancher their whole life. It’s a projection of fake solidarity.
I’m ok with not wearing a three piece suit, but there’s a wide range between that and what he does wear. I’m sure he could find something more fitting, so to speak. He looks like a slob.
When I hear you complaining about some of the bullshit that Marjorie Taylor green and Lauren bobert pull in the chamber then I might consider listening to you clutch your pearls about fetterman wearing a hoodie. You might think about growing the up little child?
It's a political message, thus inherently devisive, and it's vitally important that he be able to express in that context. In my opinion civility and respect are different things. Respect can't be compelled and a senator shouldn't be compelled anyway. He proved to be an aweful human being though.
There’s anti-Fettermanism? I didn’t hear.
Now, I have an important job for a very important company. I’m not dressed up to the 9s day in and out because my qualifications and experience are my flex. If his constituents are as down to earth as him they don’t care. Scoreboard speaks.
I don't really care how Fetterman dresses, but I will say that no person of color nor woman, especially a woman of color, would be able to get away with dressing down even half as much as he does, and he sure hasn't said anything about that.
Bingo. No child of poor (or formerly poor) immigrants, neither. My parents thought it was about projecting success but real power is not being bound by norms and rules. That said, twice as hard for half the credit in dressing as well as everything else
It reminds me of Dr McMillan Cottom’s op ed about Sinema’s clothing. The clothing was a stand in for a coherent ideology, set of policy goals and principles. Interesting to see a male counterpart.
I agree! He is a representative of his constitutes, and many dress like him, but he looks out of place like someone wearing a business suit to plow the fields. When he is at work he should dress appropriately and on par with his peers.
Dressing like Fetterman isn’t anti-elitist any more than smoking weed is. Anti-elitist would be actively opposing our new government of billionaires, instead of sucking up to them.
If you think the Senate does not deserve the respect due to an organ of popular self-government, which is an entirely reasonable thing to think, you should probably not be a Senator
it annoys me the same as when white male professors let students call them by first name -- he knows he'll still be respected regardless. but since the same isn't true for everyone, it feels disrespectful to his female/POC peers. sinema dresses like a clown, but she clearly cares about her outfits.
We don’t have a realistic shot of taking back the Senate before 2028, maybe part of doing that can include replacing him (on the theory that unless Democrats are doing well enough in PA to support a less terrible candidate, we’re doomed anyway)
How hard is it to slip his big boy pants on over his shorts to go out on the floor? The kids whose parents wore pjs to walk them into school are now wearing pjs to high school. It's ridiculous, and I live in my pajamas.
fuck that, nothin wrong with the goddamn dress code, my issue is that bald motherfucker just flipped the script and started saying some stupid ass bullshit
if you're hung up on what a motherfucker wearing while he doin his job then that's a you problem and you can fix yoself, there are real issues.
While I agree that too many who dress up still act like robber barons, there is a difference between professional dressing and loungewear.
Fetterman diesnt have to wear a suit and tie, but he should dress for work. Dress for the job you want is not bad advice,and there are many choices!
I was a strong Fetterman supporter. I didn’t care what he wore, and I don’t now. However, his choice to be the next Manchin or Sinema has moved me to want to work twice as hard
to ensure he is just a one-term Senator. Also - he’s not very intelligent.
Seriously, he was much better after the stroke when he could barely complete a thought or put 2 sentences together. This BS where he just thinks for himself and says all the this fascist, gop talking points is getting to be obnoxious in my opinion. He need to be primaried asap.
Yes! I have always thought this. Disrespectful and immature. Are you an obnoxious, defiant 17 yo high school kid or a grown adult?! At the very least put on a clean pair of jeans and a polo shirt.
I see what you mean with decorum but congress regularly behaves like a bunch children + what someone is wearing doesn't affect their ability to do their job.
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I have seen this shift in my workplace after covid and it's positive
Your words and actions should communicate your qualities
And your reputation should precede you
Dude's a large 16 yr old, so that's how he dresses
I worry a lot about how even the coolest senators, like Bernie Sanders, tend to fall victim to Senate Brain (spending decades believing the filibuster is good, for instance)
Vote for me, California. I literally can not possibly be worse.
#CenterRightNeosGottaGo
He might have a hard time getting custom suits made, they’re expensive, just saying he’s a really big guy.
Not to mention *this* guy...
If that requires a tie, fine, but it hasn't been working so far.
Neither do shorts and a hoodie, apparently…
So I don't think I have a choice in how they look.
I mean fetterman sucks but his dressing is like #506 of his list of issues.
It is not an indication of gravity.
Well, the tie is.
So show the F up ready to do battle.
If on a football field wear a helmet. If in congress wear a damn suit.
Wearing “good” and appropriate clothing for the occasion is something the poor and working classes have always done when possible. Think church, holidays, etc.
The idea is everything worth noting should be in the recorded words and documents, and to minimize distractions.
A suit does not communicate neutrality in hospital, for instance. Or an American sportsball game.
It's an imperfect thesis, but one worth keeping in mind.
Like how in the uk they still make their judges cosplay to come to court. Make it a real uniform
But sure, defend 200 years of no change in men's fashion because that would mean the upper class - to whom suits signal solidarity - would have to abdicate power.
Your argument is based on the world as you would like it to be and not how it is. For better or worse.
Sometimes you have to play by the rules from within in order to change them.
He's just pretending not to.
This kind of conservative thinking is the problem.
The whole congress needs adult supervision.
For the time being, that's going to be suits and business professional while meeting for sessions of Congress.
He can afford a tailor, so it’s not a question of fit. (And honestly, his build he’s gonna need a tailor or look like a rumpled ape. But he doesn’t do that.)
Happy to hear your opinion but respectfully disagree.
Your argument is based on the world as you would like it to be and not how it is. For better or worse.
Sometimes you have to play by the rules from within in order to change them.
??? Bro what lol
If I wanted to go into politics (I don’t, because I wouldn’t be able to handle dealing with conservatives in any capacity) among the many reasons I wouldn’t is dress code expectations
I dunno about this dude in particular, I just needed to say I hope people feel more comfortable being themselves and don’t feel the need to dress up and don’t want it associated with GAF
I work for a law firm. I wear a suit sometimes. I guess I'm oppressing people for a living.
Yep.
In the Chambers of our Republic, I think "content of character."
(it's important)
Not really the wrapping paper they show up in.
K'mon...
Mushmouth Kennedy has a suit.
Marjorie missing Chromosome owns a dress.
Nuff said.
So no, he’s not doing his job
(leastin' he ain't in an Alzheimer's ward hiding out)
🤭
I was never overly concerned with how he dressed. But I care very deeply about his sudden willingness to support people like her.
Now don’t nobody pays attention to it, they don’t feel the need to prance around with the guns anymore.
Never a good look for a politician, lurch.
Are they so insecure and afraid of being mistaken for a female that they must appear in such manner?
KG's got five or six inches on him (only guy I've ever seen lie _down_ about his height) and is 80% limb by volume and still makes it work
the fact that he is just slightly more progressive than the disaster from arizona is a LOT
It's the same as those 'working class' dudes who have an $80k luxury truck.
His entire existence is just cosplay
I’ve always seen it as disrespectful.
"Opting out" of fashion is like, awkward teen behavior
The People's House must be taken back by REAL PEOPLE.
I respect Jamelle and anyone else who disagrees though. I think it's a reasonable difference of opinion. I just can't bring myself to give a shit.
But years later? Nope, we’re done.
Would you be OK with flannel & jeans?
The hoodie & shorts thing was at a level where my brother & dad would change to go to Lowes, FFS.
rephrasing it doesnt change the meaning
Fetterman's sartorial choices don't make him any more or less aware of what he's doing.
Bernie could roll up in a penguin kigurumi as long as he always voted for M4A and I wouldn't care.
Sure, he's right that there wasn't a tear in the fabric of the universe when he did it, but cmon look like you appreciate the importance of what's in front of you
It's more fun if you pretend like she doesn't mean personal hygiene and presentation.
Really, though, it irks me that it's his schtick. "I'm the hoodie guy." Why not wear a giant hat & scream "I'm the Bishop of Batshit" every 10 minutes or so?
I should be able to show up to my Monday meeting nude, too, but I don’t.
We were talking about clothes in this thread. Keep up.
thank you
Oh, THAT Chuck Schumer
Chuckie's partner in this perfidy, Kiersten Gillibrand, was up for reelection. She won but her campaign buried the Franken betrayal
I left her blank. Some wrote in "Al Franken"
And when Schumer runs again guess what?
Schumer told him to go pound sand.
Schumer took the opportunity to purge a progressive Democrat
But hell, he’s wearing a tight suit. He’s okay?
If fetterman attire gripes you pants, we’re fukd deeply
Jordan never wears a tie or jacket either.
But pls understand there are *many* people who feel hoodwinked by fetterman and are very much against him
Thing is, fetterman’s had the opportunity to speak his piece and he essentially doubled down to flip the middle finger at the progressives who helped put him in power
K Street is why this country is not a functioning representative democracy. We are instead governed by profit minded people who can afford to pay for policy capture.
It is their way of legally bribing.
like, you're the kid that's raising hand in class reminding the teacher to assign homework.
sure, fetterman's a right wing grifter, but his appearance isn't the fucking problem.
I’d love to go to work in my PJs but, even if we didn’t have a dress code, it would be respectful to the coworkers.
He should show some respect to his constituents and the country in general.
I don't know how to formalize that, but it wasn't great.
Besides looking like a complete asshole on the Senate floor
As for all the "I don't care what he wears as long as..." BS: I'm sitting here typing this in my shorts and a T-shirt. BUT I'M NOT REPRESENTING MY STATE IN THE U.S. SENATE!
Fetterman isn't doing that. He's young or of his way to appear cringe.
A flash. A roar. A ball of fire ... ⬇️
As morbid as it sounds, if the 'bombs' fell, I'd be going to stand beside a military base and not trying to escape.
You do not want to be a survivor in that world.
Stand Up.
This is fluff that distracts from the actual issues. Do better.
Your argument is invalid.
But she was a GOP member of Congress in *Texas*...if she had stood, I'm not convinced that she wouldn't have been re-elected.
https://theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/22/kay-granger-republican-congresswoman-memory-care
Sadly, starting to appear he's similar to Sinema in other ways.
Now he's gone full Sinema & sucks, but the clothes are whatever.
He didn’t turn MAGA
He pointed out why the Democratic Party Bubble caused us to underestimate Trump & go for the wrong strategy
We ALL talked about an abstract concept = #Fascism
Someone forgot the #Workers
Now that he's obeying in advance and accepting Trump team lies at face value, he has forfeited any grace given about his disrespectful wardrobe choices.
clown is making almost 200,000$ a year
It’s sad!
Fixed it.
Now, I have an important job for a very important company. I’m not dressed up to the 9s day in and out because my qualifications and experience are my flex. If his constituents are as down to earth as him they don’t care. Scoreboard speaks.
And Rosa DeLauro still gets criticized for her blue hair
And Frederica Wilson got mocked by t***p for wearing her cool hats.
Regular working stiffs frequently (always?) have dress codes at work. He sees himself as special.
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2021/nov/18/kyrsten-sinema-fashion-arizona-senator
Mismanaged appearance can be a depression thing.
Or is he just more status quo? ...well stop being a slob, then.
if you're hung up on what a motherfucker wearing while he doin his job then that's a you problem and you can fix yoself, there are real issues.
Fetterman diesnt have to wear a suit and tie, but he should dress for work. Dress for the job you want is not bad advice,and there are many choices!
to ensure he is just a one-term Senator. Also - he’s not very intelligent.