I hate that I'm actually forced to ask this, but has Trump actually done anything yet that can be classified as a war crime? Rape, treachery, insurrection, gross negligence, pathological lying, criminal bankrupting and fraud, certainly, just not sure about the war crimes. Probably just lost track
Trump continued Bush’s and Obamas drone strike policy, and expanded it even further, removing whatever fig leaf reporting requirements on civilian casualties were still in place.
It’s too cold out here to spend to long searching for an all encompassing list, but he started committing war crimes within his first weekend in office
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Apparently fucking not. Why would anyone want to have principles? We should actually not be mad at all and should be totally ok with the people who actively support and preach for the oppression of other humans and think illegal aliens in jail are getting gender surgery. Sane behavior! Jesus.
I've been saying for months it feels like the dems are either rolling over and barking like dogs to appease their new masters, or actively working with them to fuck the rest of us. but sure, I'm crazy and paranoid. 🙄
anyway it really sucks as a disabled trans person bc I'm nearly 99% sure that the NY state government will in fact roll over and do tricks for their new masters (the tricks being "throw disabled and trans people under eighteen consecutive busses")
I was very much "this is just how politics is played, whatcha gonna do 🤷" for years. I've never been super liberal dopey brained - I'll give myself a little more credit than that but I've never been more radicalized than in this past year
To be honest I'm lost on what is considered liberal and what isn't because the world is thrown around so much. But in what world does anyone consider Obama anything other than a conservative Democrat? Like who is your tweet even directed at?
Most progressive president in our lifetime is the lowest bar for considering someone liberal. I think there is an argument to be made between biden and Obama as the most progressive. But I don't think I'd label any president with that word.
I'm not hollering? I'm genuinely curious who he is talking about. And I'm curious about your response as well. If Obama and Biden are not the most progressive presidents than who is? Just because I vote for the lessor of two evils doesn't mean I like either one, I just don't understand y'alls angles
First, OP is a woman. Second, the entire point here is that these so-called lesser evils are perfectly happy to chat and be pals with people they correctly call fascists and that, with that in mind, maybe it's time people opened their eyes to how they're not at lesser evils, or lesser at all.
You could try noticing that the closest thing the Democrats have to an elder statesman is chumming it up with a guy the Democrats say is a fascist. Might clue you in on something.
Did he epitomize graciousness in East Timor and El Salvador? Or was it when he clearly recognized Israel’s war crimes against Palestinians, yet still supported them anyway?
>Be rude at the funeral of a man who epitomized graciousness?
This is why you guys are going to continue to be feckless LOSERS. TEH DECORUM™ hasn't worked for 12 years now. Be Best™ and do better.
And your response reflects yours, which sure sound weak as hell and super out of touch with the world we live in, retired baseball mom. Perhaps stay in your retired lane?
If you guys say the man is a fasicst for an entire election cycle x3, don't fucking act like he isn't at events with him. It's that simple. BE CONSISTENT.
Yes. Given that he's crass and ignorant that's exactly what we expected. However, some parts of him are still like a petulant little boy, so he knew to keep his hands between his legs and kept quiet, probably so he wouldn't incur the ire of the evangelicals he needs.
Trump has been compared to Hitler by Democratic campaigns for years. Would you make the same argument if popular Democrats were seen getting chummy with Hitler at public events instead of shunning him?
Note that after George W. Bush promoted and defended torture, the Obamas became his good friends.
I 1000% guaranty Carter would not have laughed it up with Trump. Hunter S Thompson said Carter was one of the 3 meanest men he ever met. Stop making excuses for how pathetic the opposition is here, it's not helping anything.
There is no reason for Obama to be chumming it up with Trump, no matter how gracious Carter was. (Carter also didn't mince words about how fucked up America is, but he wasn't a coward like most Democrat politicians). Coldly ignoring Trump would've been perfectly acceptable
You people would sit down next to Hitler himself and yuck it up because genocide and fascism and warfare and conquest and disease and tyranny AREN’T REAL TO YOU
Quite literally, yes. Maybe you should grow up if you think decorum fucking matters in the face of fascism. The fascists will kill you even if you’re polite to them, moron
I'm a trans lesbian and stroke survivor on Medicaid, living with my father, also a stroke survivor, who depends on Social Security. I'm sure when both programs are gutted and I'm wondering whether antitrans hate or lack of blood thinner kills me first, Obama being polite to my killer will comfort me
So fun fact, when a shitty person shows up at a funeral, you don't have to make nice with them, you can just not talk to them, ignore them, avoid being around them, you do not have to be buddy buddy with every other person there!
uh, i mean, yeah kinda. at least not friendly and accommodating to repugnant reactionaries. what part of growing up is that? when you just turn the locker you got shoved into in school your apartment?
I refused to shake hands with my own uncle at my mom's funeral because he votes for the far right. So yeah I'd expect people to be rude to the head fascist himself.
yes. if these fucking ghouls were as against fascism as they say they are they could at least not pal around with the fascists. how hard is that to understand?
Was Carter epitomizing graciousness when directly aided Indonesia in their genocide against East Timor? All you people care about is appearances. It doesn't matter how many people die, so long as the perpetrators don't call them mean names before they're dead.
i enjoy when people explain their politics in relation to others. "i'm more liberal than most!" don't care, that's a nonsensical framing to respond to.
that's truly depressing, and our world is absolutely fucked if you are what you claim you are. just dark, like staring into the void and feeling gratitude if it pulled you in and left this planet to the cockroaches
JESUS CHRIST, you should ABSOLUTELY be openly hostile to a guy who you told everyone is the end of our way of life. There isn’t an inappropriate venue for being curt to a fucking fascist.
When scumbags talk shit to me and I cannot rearrange their face my next response is not to chuckle heartily at their scumbaggery. What the fuxk do you think "Wow. That's crazy." is a meme for. This is when you do it, stonefaced. Or you tell them to eat shit and let them decide how to react.
God can you imagine that news story, brawl breaks out at Carter funeral, Trump dead, Obama arrested for murder, Bush lapsed out on xanax on the floor, begging the ghosts to forgive him...
I would expect him to be mean and rude to trump. Yes, i do want that. They are doing it and its insane and bad that they arent doing it. This summer we coined the term "sanewashing". Treat trash LIKE FUCKING TRASH.
It's more that the elites and media powers continue to sanewash him. I just want one headline that starts, "WTF Did He Say?" or "Is Trump Sundowning." Or an interviewer to ask people around him "Does he really smell?".
Be rude? No, but...& idk about you, I generally don't talk to or sit next to terrible people if I can help it & I certainly don't give them any kind of validation by laughing at their jokes. Avoiding someone in a social setting isn't "rude"
What the delusional utopian leftists don’t understand is that it’s fine for someone to be an existential threat to peace and the lives of minorities so long as they’re being polite. If they were rude, that would make me personally uncomfortable, which is the worst possible crime.
People with principles don't hang out, shake hands, and giggle with fascists. Although we're talking about Obama here, so they both share their values of murdering Middle Eastern children.
I'm struggling between changing my registration to Independent again or staying Democratic so I can still vote in primaries. Shit like this is making me lean towards independent.
What actual good am I doing influencing a primary for these people? I live in a centrist blue state, do I even matter?
"if there are twelve people at a table and one of them is a Nazi, then that Nazi has every right to be there I bet and the other 11 are probably brave heckin resistarinos dignity-mogging him with their restraint and class, he'll probably cry later"
Yesterday USA Today had an interview with Biden where he noted that Trump complicated him on his economic success. Basically I think dems see opportunity in framing him as a fascist but they think most of what he says is just a show and privately he’s more palatable
You spend a lot of time chumming it up with fascists, Geraldine? You seem like the type to tut at your bigot uncle until you've had a glass of wine, and then you're laughing right along with him about the queers.
Do you think his only options were "make a scene" or "be buddy buddy with the guy he's seen calling a threat to democracy and literally Hitler". How socially inept do you think Obama is
brooo I bet he’s thinking of 10 ways to destroy him right now. like sitting right there thinking about all the things he could say to instantly ruin his whole career. but he doesnt bc he’s not gonna sink to ol donnie’s level. what a class act
drumpf, and I say this as a white guy from the midwest with the upmost respect for marginalized communities and also urbandictionary said it was ok for me to say this, is getting mfin dog walked homie!!!!!
a lot of baby brains first time online today apparently lol. its nice to see them in attack mode tho, instinctual aggression towards lib mindset is better than instinctual inaction in those whose brains arent quite ready for sarcasm or object permanence
If Obama wanted to do something to Trump he'd have hit him with a drone strike like he was a wedding full of civilians. They're two rich men. They know they have more in common with each other than anyone else.
yes, that's why they're joking about how liberals would support it. because they agree with what you just said. like, your point is the backbone of their entire thread.
That's pure projection, at best. Cool, calm, and collected doesn't stop evil, it normalizes it. This is gross, and a punch in the gut to any and everyone who has and will be hurt by Trump and his actions.
I don't think Carter is the Saint they want to paint him as, but I do feel pretty confident in saying he wouldn't have wanted Trump at his funeral. Why was he there? (Then again, before Hillary urged him to run for POTUS, he'd always been a Dem contributor. Still don't think Carter was a fan LOL)
One of the greatest traps you can fall into, is being reasonable. Most of us are taught to be reasonable. There's a time and a place right? Talk to solve conflict, build bridges, and unite people. Don't cause a scene at a funeral.
The trap is that the other guy isn't reasonable. He wants you dead.
While you're trying to find common ground in a civilised political discourse, he's planning internment camps, demonising minorities, expansionist invasions etc. He will shake your hand, then shoot your family. You can not be reasonable, with unreasonable people. It's been tried before
All good folks, I am being told that this is how we save democracy. Also can anyone donate to my cashapp, I’m deep in the red after buying a super cool bridge
Chill, even I immediately thought of this quote. I'm sure a million other people did, too. Stay focused on what's important here and don't get lost in the sauce 'owning the libs'.
She has praised Carlin in the past. No out there to use one of his most famous quotes in the context it was intended (the powerful pitting people against one another when they actually don’t give a shit)
This morning I went to pick up the Sig I bought last month. On the long drive I had a panic attack. In the shop, looking at...everything, I was nauseated and teary. Two hours spent thinking, "what was I thinking??" and not knowing who I was.
I feel better now. I remember what I was thinking.
....ya know, realizing obama was not actually the wholesome figure the media portaied him to be and was actually a monstrous war criminal that didn't fulfill his campaign promises was one of the major things that radicalized me. Sometimes, i miss those days of ignorance...
Yep. It was a huge shift for me. I voted for the man twice, and then I learned about the drone bombings, the assassinations, the kids in cages, and I realized that I had been fed a steady diet of bullshit by the media. What's worse is I allowed it for so long.
I know it's kind of small in comparison to those things but for me the moment the illusion was shattered was when he pretended to drink the glass of water in Flint, MI. he couldn't even be bothered to even take a sip of yucky water for America lol
It's not small, you were right to be disillusioned by that. The man sat in front of thousands of people, on TV and in the room, and pretended to drink water from Flint, MI in order to deceive them into believing that toxic water was ok to drink. He deceived them on purpose to uphold the status quo.
Yeah and beyond that it showed that his (and by extension all centrist dems') approach to the issues Americans face would be to... lie and pretend they don't exist so private companies could continue to enrich themselves (while yelling about hope and change lol)
I checked Twitter and all the libs are saying he's just being polite or are like "heheh, he's actually laughing AT Trump and Trump doesn't even realize!"
"Liz was actually wearing the Jeweled Tiara of Bumblydick-on-Fuckshire instead of her usual crown made of baby ivory. That was given to her father by Duke Kidtouchington, who she always disliked. The shade is incalcuable! 🤣🤣🤣"
Strawman, no one said it would fix anything, it’s a funeral, it’s called respect, although Obama loved drone striking weddings so what the fuck would he know about respect?
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[Article is from April 2017]
https://bsky.app/profile/lakewitchhouse.bsky.social/post/3lfd23ezg522j
https://bsky.app/profile/lakewitchhouse.bsky.social/post/3lfczwbkjhk2j
If so, laughing in the face of insanity isn't a good look.
TROLLING OF PALESTINE IS HATE SPEECH AND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED
https://bsky.app/profile/sensemusic.bsky.social/post/3lbh32xwmlc2a
i don't know who i'm talking about anymore lol
welcome to the real world, kid
im a liberal 🎵
This is why you guys are going to continue to be feckless LOSERS. TEH DECORUM™ hasn't worked for 12 years now. Be Best™ and do better.
If there is a hell, he's there, with Hitler.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/11/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy-2/
Note that after George W. Bush promoted and defended torture, the Obamas became his good friends.
https://bsky.app/profile/khaaledayman3.bsky.social/post/3lfd4ctdins2k
Anything but that.
You're telling me you'd be civil and polite to Slobodan Milošević were the opportunity to arise
This is fucking terminal lib brain. “Nothing is real and nothing matters”
and I’ll put it here too
You’re a spoiled child saying this. You have no fucking clue. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so enraging.
what if they sat in different seats instead
also wtf is your profile pic lmao
If Rosa Luxemburg could be to your left 100 years ago you cannot blame your fascism on being an old hag
JESUS CHRIST, you should ABSOLUTELY be openly hostile to a guy who you told everyone is the end of our way of life. There isn’t an inappropriate venue for being curt to a fucking fascist.
supreme court says the president gets to do what he wants and it's okay
This isn't complicated.
they've always been chummy
they just didn't want you to notice before now
Treat the POS like the POS he is. Jimmy Carter won't mind.
donate your brain to science
What actual good am I doing influencing a primary for these people? I live in a centrist blue state, do I even matter?
but after you vote, and before you vote, they don't give a shit =|
that's the tragic part of capitalist electoral parties
"if there are twelve people at a table and one of them is a Nazi, then that Nazi has every right to be there I bet and the other 11 are probably brave heckin resistarinos dignity-mogging him with their restraint and class, he'll probably cry later"
Hugging fascist is one of them.
https://bsky.app/profile/thedailybeast.bsky.social/post/3lfd5o2hkwc2n
The trap is that the other guy isn't reasonable. He wants you dead.
Tickled to hear you say that liberal
(Pictured is a french MP playing rock-paper-scissors instead of shaking hands)
I feel better now. I remember what I was thinking.
the libs will never learn
If only he would mean mug trump it would fix something?
That's weird.
People are making a big deal about this and they are very childish.